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Telling another teacher how to teach? It's a sin, says leading academic

Discussion in 'Education news' started by TES_Rosaline, Jan 27, 2016.

  1. TES_Rosaline

    TES_Rosaline Administrator Staff Member

  2. Compassman

    Compassman Star commenter


    Another teacher can give advice but what works for one teacher will not work necessarily for another.
  3. foxtail3

    foxtail3 Star commenter

  4. Flere-Imsaho

    Flere-Imsaho Star commenter

  5. JaquesJaquesLiverot

    JaquesJaquesLiverot Established commenter

    I'm an atheist - does that mean that I'm allowed to do it?
  6. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    Atheists can sin.
  7. JaquesJaquesLiverot

    JaquesJaquesLiverot Established commenter

    According to Google, a sin is "an immoral act considered to be a transgression against divine law", so I can never sin (at least in my own eyes).
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  8. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    You can, in the same sense that you may tour a foreign country and inadvertently break their laws.
  9. Benbamboo

    Benbamboo Occasional commenter

    I think he's absolutely right about the way teachers discuss things with each other and for a long time it has been my biggest gripe with the way lesson observations are carried out.

    There SHOULD be regular discussions between staff about what went well and what they can improve on. There SHOULD be constructive criticism and discourse about how to do things differently/more effectively. This SHOULD happen without fear of admitting you're not sure how to teach a particular idea or how to handle a particular student.

    At the moment he is right, feedback tends to be along the lines of "That didn't work, next time do it like this..." which helps no-one, especially when it comes from a non-teaching SLT jobsworth who hasn't taught in the key stage they are criticising or even taught for years.

    His stance on testing is much more interesting for debate, especially at far end of the schooling system.
  10. darklord11

    darklord11 Occasional commenter

    Current feedback is making us all into follow the latest bull...... Robot. Says a lot about the poor quality of leadership within education.
  11. neddyfonk

    neddyfonk Lead commenter

    In my humble opinion constructive criticism is the way to approach this topic. Start with the good news and then add guarded comments about any weaknesses you thought were present. Putting this in the third person context distances you further from being a critic. " I do not think the children quite understood the point of ...".
  12. Didactylos4

    Didactylos4 Star commenter

    I can't yet find the relevant video on the conference site or on youtube though.

    My response to such things was "I'm grateful for your advice and would really like to see you demonstrate your techniques"
    An offer that was rarely taken up
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  13. oldsomeman

    oldsomeman Star commenter

    In my experience you never tell folks anything.you suggest..and only when asked.However one can demonstrate a system but its does not mean your experience or even explanation is what the other person needs.
  14. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    its all gone pear shaped because those who SUGGEST things are all in SMT or Heads of Department which makes the system aggressive and narsasstic.
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  15. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    I wouldn't dare suggest anything to anyone above me in the system. I just slug along at the bottom rung and hope they don't notice me. Like sharks...
  16. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    I'm a bit of a slug too!!!
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  17. Jesmond12

    Jesmond12 Star commenter

    There is nothing wrong with watching a good teacher teach. You may pick up some good tips and think " that's a good idea I will try that". However, what works for one person may not work for another.

    How else do we learn? Watching someone more experienced is the way that I became a better teacher. My PGCE did not really help me and it was not until I was working that my teaching became more confident.

    As oldsomeman says you cannot tell someone how to teach you can only suggest.
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  18. needabreak

    needabreak Star commenter

    As a successful HOD I waited to be consulted on challenges staff in the dept had, they identified the issues and then I could suggest that they might like to try different strategies and maybe give them some examples where it has worked for me, if they felt particularly challenged they were always welcome to observe me or each other or other staff, in fact we kind of operated an unofficial open door policy by nature of the way our rooms and then office connected, it worked really well since their back up was pretty much only a short walk away.

    Of course it is slightly different for trainees and NQT's since records have to be kept so formal observations were done according to the whole school/borough/training provider programme.
  19. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    I like this idea... just observing to get tips...

    Thing is now, deep down, I can't imagine why anyone would want to observe me to get tips... my confidence in me as a public teacher is shot... I can do the job and get on with the kids but I have no idea what good teaching looks like for me because I'm feel I am constantly told how bad I am. Or historically I have been ... and I can't shake the feeling.
  20. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    sounds good in your case. But, sadly I hear and see of stories where the top down approach is used to bully and humiliate. Tells a lot about these people I know but that's no consolation when it happens.

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