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Teaching over 50.

Discussion in 'Education news' started by ravenscroft2, Mar 9, 2018.

  1. catbefriender

    catbefriender Senior commenter

    Chances are, no matter how compliant and brilliant a teacher you are now, you probably won't last in teacher over 50 simply because of your age.

    Remember you are only seeing the outside, remember that quote from To Kill a Mocking Bird? Until you walk in someone else's shoes, then you can judge?

    Whenever I am at the chilled foods section at Tesco, I get talking to someone and low and behold it's an oldie from a local school that has been gotten rid off. Yes they are bitter and angry because it isn't fair, but this is happening in Inner City schools and it's difficult to have to work out how to survive until retirement when you're ousted in your early to mid 40s and can only get to do bitty supply work.

    When I was younger and I'm talking from my TWENTIES I was ALWAYS listening to OLDER staff moan and learning what was going on in order to prepare for being older. What I have learnt, through my intensive research, I have read so many books on working until retirement, is that the MAJORITY of women working over 50 are self employed.

    In order to be employed over 50, we HAVE TO keep on learning new skills. I have done more CPD since I have been out of school, then when I was in it!

    Race, gender, disability, age affects employment prospects: FACT. The younger you are, the easier it is to get work.

    After a good long moan a lot of older teachers pull their socks up and get to it. It's tough, but we have to survive.
     
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  2. drvs

    drvs Star commenter

    No.
     
  3. Janettap

    Janettap New commenter

    And I have seen exceptional teaching by younger teachers. There are some very good younger teachers out there although there are bad ones too. I was a teaching assistant for many years and visited another school as part of a course I was on. Went into an English class and the teacher was in her 50s. She showed no enthusiasm for the job and gave very little help to the students. Apparently she was about to retire and so most likely she had lost her enthusiasm for the job, but the kids were all struggling students and really needed help. I went round and helped as many as I could and felt guilty when they asked if I would be in on their next lesson. I do agree that it is more difficult with age. I trained as an ICT teacher when there was a shortage. I was 52 at the time and was assured there would be plenty of jobs. Unfortunately they changed the curriculum and I had to teach myself programming. Managed well with Key Stage 3 but never confident with Key Stage 4 and didn't teach this age group. Now I find that I cannot really apply for Computing teaching jobs as I have not experience of Key Stage 5 and 5 and don't really feel confident with these age groups. It was really difficult to teach myself as well as teaching. Too much pressure although I loved the teaching side and marking- just not the rest. It doesn't help that I can't retire now until I'm 66. I was teaching full time but went part time when the opportunity came up. Then the part-time hours were given to the rest of the teachers at the school. Good money saving exercise. Now I am looking at returning to TA posts as I least I can get my time back.
     
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  4. JaquesJaquesLiverot

    JaquesJaquesLiverot Established commenter

    I'm sure I read that something like half of English graduates end up teaching (and it's the bottom half), so it's possible that she never had any enthusiasm for it.

    When I look at younger and older colleagues, the biggest difference I see is interest in the subject. Younger staff might be interested in the job, but they're almost like weather presenters - it's about putting on a show, looking right, and reading out your bought-in lesson materials like a script, before filling in the spreadsheet. Older teachers are more likely to be subject specialists with a bank of lesson materials and ideas that they've created themselves. Unfortunately they also know that "practice makes perfect" and "you don't make a pig fatter by measuring it", which can make them unpopular with innumerate and unscientific SLT members.
     
  5. David Getling

    David Getling Senior commenter

    Thanks for the entertainment. This is either a wind-up, or a post by someone who is still wet behind the ears and very naive.
     
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  6. schoolsout4summer

    schoolsout4summer Lead commenter

    You probably won't be allowed to pull your socks up - and even if you pulled them up around your neck, like a tight turtle-neck jumper, you would soon feel SLT's boot up your ****, propelling you out the door and down the road, jobless, friendless and probably on minimum wages.
    Poverty's embrace beckons.

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  7. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    Ah, that’s charming, isn’t it? There’s a difference between sticking your head sand and ignoring the grim truth (you) and voicing genuine sadness at the destruction of a hard-earned career (other posts on here) . As you have not, to date, been on the receiving end of ageist taunts and discrimination, I bow to your unfounded knowledge. Older staff have seen it done better, earlier, when youneed staff were squeezing their zits in the bathroom mirror or swatting for GCSES. They DO have an overview and an authority on some matters. This doesn’t make them whingers. They’re just hacked off with the shocking rise of gobshcite junior managers who think they know it all, look and sound ridiculous and destroy the intellectual reserves of a school. Experienced teachers with an extensive knowledge base ARE a school’s unique selling point. Not the managers. The good teachers. Who stay. And know how it should be done. Some are young. A lot more are older and over 50.
     
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  8. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    Agreed. Another boss-eyed cat avatar!
     
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  9. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    GGGRRRRREEEAGH! hate, hate hate him!:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::(
     
  10. catbefriender

    catbefriender Senior commenter

    When I said a lot of older teachers pull up their stocks and get on with it, I mean that being out of schools after 50 and having to find another means to survive via tutoring, alternative employment, setting up their own business etc.. An older teacher who was booted out set up a nursery down the road and got one of the younger teachers in her former school to help out and she is now thriving.

    There are a lot of wonderful, brilliant young teachers and I have been doing a lot of CPD recently and when they ask me why I am not in school (because they think I am employable) and I tell them, schools aren't interested in us oldies, they say things to the effect that they feel they are treated better than older staff and they don't think it's fair.

    There are younger teachers, who think like I did when I was younger. Listening to older people and getting perspectives and holding this information for future use because it is going to be even harder when those in their 20s and 30s now, get into their 50s. What younger teachers don't know is that by NOT supporting us, they are making their own careers shorter.

    I knew it would be tough getting work over 50 as a female. I have to do a lot of ground work because I know it will be IMPOSSIBLE to work in a school over 60, so what I set up now is going to have to last me all the way to retirement.

    This is what the pulling the socks up is all about. Getting to it - rising to the challenge. 45% of over 50s are claiming JSA and it is becoming a NATIONAL CRISIS and schools, who have 335,000 qualified teachers not in schools are doing nothing about it despite pleas from the DWP to help shift the teachers claiming JSA. Being on JSA over 50 is NOT an option. Hence, the sock pulling analogy.
     
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  11. catbefriender

    catbefriender Senior commenter

    @schoolsout4summer Sorry, I've just realised you were being funny. I am so tired been fighting off a virus for weeks.

    Pulling your socks up around the neck is hilarious.

    Peace:)
     
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  12. woollani

    woollani Occasional commenter

    Oh dear me.
     
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  13. drvs

    drvs Star commenter

  14. Jolly_Roger12

    Jolly_Roger12 Occasional commenter

    Spot on again, @catbefriender! Chance would be a fine thing to continue teaching after the age of fifty! It has nothing to do with how competent you might be, it is simply a matter of money. A supposed 'desperate shortage' of teachers, while so many more older, experienced staff are unemployed? It just not 'stack up'.
     
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  15. blazer

    blazer Star commenter

    I think the opposite is true. Those of us who have been round the block a few times are the ones with resilience (after all we have handled all the BS for year upon year) it is the new snowflakes who give up early. We are not attractive for employment because we tend to be more expensive.
     
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  16. blazer

    blazer Star commenter

    We need a dislike button! Just imagine how much worse the school environment would be without us oldies resisting the tide of change.
     
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  17. blazer

    blazer Star commenter

    The older ones can also, usually, make up a lesson almost on the spot using a combination of experience and a bank or resources.
     
  18. phlogiston

    phlogiston Star commenter

    Blazer beat me to it. I may not be able to run 100m quite as fast as younger colleagues (last time I tried, my hamstring went pop!), but my current role has proved to me that I have plenty of physical and mental resilience.
    Very true

    This is a big thing, not the resilience.
    This is the other big thing
     
  19. catbefriender

    catbefriender Senior commenter

    Well I am glad that a lot of older teachers on this site do not feel there are physical restrictions to them working full time in schools but back to the DWP document that looks into how industry must adapt to the needs of an ageing workforce, it does state that older workers generally would benefit from less physical demands being made on their bodies and remember ageing affects women differently.

    Remember, we are expected to work until 66/67 and 68 now and if you are still able to run up stairs 3 steps at a time, well into your late 50s, good for you. But it would be a reasonable assumption to say that a lot of older teachers can't and if they can, their energies would be better used elsewhere, not running around a school because a timetable requires them to be in another building/another site and they is no scheduled time for them to get there, so they have to run, run, run get their around 3-5 minutes into the lesson and out of breath, and quieten down a rowdy KS3 class before commencing their 45-60 minute lesson.

    It does not have to be this way.

    And I might add, the failure of the Return to Teaching programme stated that it was because a lot of older teachers felt they needed to work part time, and schools were unable to accommodate it.

    So it's okay being over 50 and working in schools if you are still as fit as a 25 year old. I reckon you will find that a lot of females unfortunately do not fit into this category.
     
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  20. border_walker

    border_walker Established commenter

    That was the only way that I could survive as a HOD - all middle leaders should be able to do this.
     
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