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Teaching over 50.

Discussion in 'Education news' started by ravenscroft2, Mar 9, 2018.

  1. hs9981

    hs9981 Established commenter

    The problem with online teaching (Asia), if you are based in the UK is time difference.
  2. JaquesJaquesLiverot

    JaquesJaquesLiverot Established commenter

    There's a lot of on-line teaching going on in this country, particularly in "alternative" settings, or where students are off school for medical reasons. Some of it is done by the local authority (as it is where I live), and some is contracted out to private companies such as InterHigh, Apricot Learning or Nisai. The LA approach seems to be best, as it can be combined with face-to-face contact for a "blended learning" approach.
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  3. catbefriender

    catbefriender Lead commenter

    @Jolly_Roger12 Well tell them you will be putting something back in by doing a series of YouTube videos for Chemistry/Science GCSE and Chemistry A level.

    If you got over 10,000 viewer, you could get a couple of hundred dollars income a month. I have ideas of setting something up, and will probably do so over the summer holidays. Find the most complicated aspect of teaching Chemistry/Science and create a video about it. If you did one of using the Spearman's rank formula in Science and how it differs with its use in Maths and the Humanities, that could draw in loads of viewers, because that's a topic that confuses everyone.

    You have to keep busy and come up with new possibilities.

    I will be looking at the online tutoring scenario myself and see if I can blend it in with face to face work as well. There are special considerations to be made when tutoring online and it has to be extremely organised and there is a lot of sophisticated software the student and teacher can buy so that they can write out answers or film their hands writing. I will look at finding some resources to learn how to effectively do this.

    From a YouTube channel it is possible to advertise your services so that you do not have to pay agency fees.

    We oldies have to move with the times and online learning is the way to go. $100 is worth around £70, which is a lot of money for me.

    @ravenscroft2 Thanks again for providing us oldies with some food for thought!
    Last edited: Mar 12, 2018
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  4. Jolly_Roger12

    Jolly_Roger12 Occasional commenter

    @catbefriender: Thank you for the ideas.;) I have heard of online tutoring but I have never considered You Tube before.
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  5. JaquesJaquesLiverot

    JaquesJaquesLiverot Established commenter

    Unfortunately you need to be in the top 3.5% of YouTubers even to make $12000: Why almost no one is making a living on YouTube

    I was quite surprised to see that the average number of views per video had fallen from 10262 to 89 in the space of ten years - I suppose that's an indication of how competitive it is. You also need to be careful - not everything can be "monetised"; you can't have adverts on screen grabs from proprietary software, for example.

    The trick is probably to go for something more niche. Some of our students use LibreOffice at home, so I made two videos on a particular technique; one for Excel and one for LibreOffice. To date the Excel version has had 1900 views, but the LibreOffice one has had over 57000, presumably because there are fewer resources for LibreOffice.
  6. moscowbore

    moscowbore Senior commenter

    I use Google classroom for online delivery and it has everything I want. I can see what a student is typing and I can give instant, contextual, specific feedback for each student.

    There are thousands of excellent YouTube tutorials on many GCSE and A level topics made by students. Pointless trying to make money by putting videos on YouTube. Money is to be made by online teaching. Lots of money is to be made by connecting students who want online teaching with online teachers. Tutors in China and South East Asia make a fortune. I am going to give it a whirl.
  7. catbefriender

    catbefriender Lead commenter

    @JaquesJaquesLiverot and @moscowbore Many thanks for the suggestions regarding a medium in which to work with for online tutoring.

    Re the Youtube video,although it is hard to make an income, it amazing how some videos become run away successes and making videos can help our existing students as well. And some of the best Maths videos are the ones with a person's hand actually do the problem on a piece of paper, with no fancy technology.

    I am really slow when it comes to technology, so getting the thumps up with regard to software helps. If I can make an extra £50 to £100 a month via online tutoring, it will be a help. I think English language teaching will probably be the best market as the South East Asians excel in ICT, Science and Maths and will probably be a whole lot cheaper. But teaching UK children the UK curriculum, is a possibility.

    Good luck to us all!
  8. ravenscroft2

    ravenscroft2 New commenter

    This may sound like and old bloke being a bit bonkers, but in the US, there has also been a teacher recruitment and retention crisis. The solution in the US has been to develope streamed ( mix of on line, and tutor directed learning) teenagers are 'clock on' using the state managed platform, and teachers supervise, mentor, coach and teach. Could UK academy trusts develop the same? So, maybe 4 schools have 3 students each aspiring to follow physics A level for example. One tutor, 12 students, one lab at just one centre.....
  9. catbefriender

    catbefriender Lead commenter

    @ravenscroft2 The UK academy trust would only use a formula where the teacher was very young and very cheap. There are 335,000 qualified teachers and 100,000 qualified teachers who have never been able to start induction and the government is spending millions to get 600 teachers from overseas this year. The problem in the UK, is nowhere near the problem in the USA because we already have an abundance of teachers that schools don't want to touch, they only want the younger teachers.

    There is a steady stream of young graduates who can act as unqualified teachers, paid as little as minimum wage teaching whole classes in subjects they haven't a clue or a qualification in. There are loads of SKE courses where with an Arts degree, you can do a 1 year course that will prepare you to a PGCE in Maths or Sciences.

    The solution the the UK problem is easy. Employ from the 335,000 qualified teachers. But instead they prefer to get unqualified teachers and then the schools can claim funds from the DfE to train them to the level of the qualified teachers they have gotten rid of.
  10. David Getling

    David Getling Senior commenter

    Actually, the US probably wouldn't have a teacher crisis if it weren't for the complete idiots in Washington: and I don't just mean the Trump administration.
    For decades there have been vast numbers of well qualified teachers (myself at one time) who would have given their eye teeth to be allowed to live and work in America. But US immigration bent over backwards to make this as near impossible as they could. With the cheap American property many of us could have afforded to buy a nice house outright and so live very well on a fairly modest teacher's salary. A win/win for schools, students and teachers, but if you want a damn good screw up (moderator won't even allow more appropriate starred word) then leave it to a politician.
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  11. ravenscroft2

    ravenscroft2 New commenter

    For state school heads, it all about the budget. Of course they are not going to get involved in a labour law dispute about ageism, it s cheaper to waste teachers time and let them apply for jobs.....
  12. Jolly_Roger12

    Jolly_Roger12 Occasional commenter

    Wearing my 'cynical hat', I think the 'shortage' of teachers is limited to new, or nearly new, entrants to the profession, those who have only known schools as they are now. Over the last decade, the professional version of ethnic cleansing has got rid of all the older, experienced teachers, whom schools no longer want, so the last thing the Govt would want is to get them back again. These 'returner initiatives' are window dressing.
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  13. David Getling

    David Getling Senior commenter

    Ravenscroft2's quote of Lucilla90 just reminded me of a conversation with one of my managers (not school) many years ago. I'd mentioned to Brian that the list of requirements for many jobs was so long as to make it virtually impossible for anyone to satisfy them all. His reply: Think about it Dave. You can't say you don't want someone because they are black or because of their gender, etc. So putting a long list of requirements always gives you a valid excuse to reject someone.

    Schools already know exactly what people they will not employ, regardless of any legalities. Calling some of them to interview is just their way of covering themselves. Something in the job spec, or that they dream up during the interview will always allow them to reject someone they had absolutely no intention of employing, no matter how good their teaching skills.
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  14. Jolly_Roger12

    Jolly_Roger12 Occasional commenter

    Another waste of a job applicants' time are schools that have 'undisclosed criteria', which you only find out just before the interview.. Something like:

    Head. "Welcome to the Foregone Conclusion Academy. You all seem very well qualified candidates. It would be nice to find a fluent Polish speaker, though. Anyway, on with the interviews. Mrs. Skłodowska, we'll take you first."
    Last edited: Mar 16, 2018
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  15. Star_Teacher

    Star_Teacher New commenter

    How about face to face tutoring? I know demand varies wildly by location and subject but it is still a good option. If your on LinkedIn there are loads of companies that are looking for face to face tutors and online tutors.
    I have also found that while doing supply work over the last year, I have had to turn down a lot of work as there have been a lot of offers, but I dont know if its just because I'm a Physics specialist!
    What ever you end up doing, make sure you place a high enough value on your skill set and don't sell out for less than what you would earn as a teacher.
  16. David Getling

    David Getling Senior commenter

    Why let a pimp take a cut of your earnings? I make my living as a private tutor.

    As a physics specialist I'm not surprised you are in demand. I never cease to be amazed at the number of bloody useless math, chemistry and physics teachers that schools employ. This is mainly due to only being prepared to employ the very cheap and very manageable.
  17. Sisyphus_rolls_again

    Sisyphus_rolls_again Established commenter

    I am a physics teacher over 50, I am not cheap and I do not waste time with management gimmicks.
    What may be true generally is not always true in specific cases.
    As a physics teacher you should be aware of the precision of language that you choose to use.
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  18. hammie

    hammie Lead commenter

    One thing's for sure, if you are over 50, you are not going off on maternity leave a week after they appoint you. Which in itself make you a cheaper option!
  19. border_walker

    border_walker Established commenter

  20. ravenscroft2

    ravenscroft2 New commenter

    I read all about the teacher shortages and crises with interest. Solid state schools and academies are holding pens for parents that need ' extended child care facilities' so that they can contribute to the labour force.
    The purpose of introducing and sustaining cognitive development will be managed by 'bots' no need for QTs, cpd, or enhanced police clearance.
    Sitting children in neat rows, in quaint antique style outfits and coaching them to pass pointless memory tests will pass into history.....
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