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Teaching in New Zealand

Discussion in 'Teaching abroad' started by debbieglead, Oct 4, 2016.

  1. mrswallow

    mrswallow Occasional commenter

    My understanding is that all vacancies have to be advertised in the Education Gazette, but some 'minor' internal appointments don't have to be. However, just because a job is advertised doesn't mean there is a vacancy. Some adverts will say 're-graded'. An example of this may be when someone is going part-time from full-time. Or, someone is picking up some extra responsibility units. You may also see some 'incumbent applying' adverts as well, this will (generally) be someone on a fixed term contract moving to a full term. Or similar. Additionally and anecdotally there is an element of 'not-what-you-know-but-who-you-know' in teaching in NZ. Especially in some of the urban centres, so you may struggle to get your CV seen if you are appyling for jobs in some places. Rural schools are a bit different... And some subjects are in shortage (hard materials, maths, physics, computer science...) and others have an over supply (PE....), there aren't many SEN specific roles anywhere.. etc etc etc. There have also been one or two occasions when I've rung up about a job, only to find the spec has been written with someone in mind. (In one instance, someone with a very similar CV to mine...)

    Again, I would stress this is my understanding and based on my experience.

    I had a speculative email and CV the other day in my inbox. The response I gave was along the lines of 'Any vacancies will be advertised in the Education Gazette as/ when they arise. We are not currently recruiting.'

    Realistically, if you teach a shortage subject and are willing to live somewhere rural, then chances are you will get a job. If you want to live in a big (by our standards) town, and don't teach a shortage subject then you will find it harder.

    Couple of tips- ring up about the job and speak directly to someone. Post a hard copy of your CV/ letter and application form where you can. Don't expect a response, it is unlikely to be forthcoming. Which is deeply frustrating and rude, but that's how it goes here. Tailor your application letter to the school, don't use a round robin letter.

    Bookmark the Education Gazette vacancies page and keep applying.
  2. Sherbear320

    Sherbear320 New commenter

    I have sent you a conversation
  3. Julian A Thompson

    Julian A Thompson New commenter

    NZ is VERY short of specialist teachers. Many important subjects are being taught by non SMEs. GTP is outlawed by the unions and the normal NCEA Y13 school leavers are well behind their A Level, IB & Aussie peers.
  4. Mlockwood81

    Mlockwood81 New commenter

    I'm just about to start this process, so would appreciate any additional advice / hints / etc...

    I'm in quite a different position that my partner has been offered a job (non-teaching) via an accredited employer in Gisborne and are currently starting the process of medicals, police checks, visas etc... I will (hopefully!) get my visa on the back of hers.

    After looking in to the process of going through the checks to teach over in NZ, is it easier to start the process while in the UK or when we get out there? I'm in fortunate position that I will not be looking to work straight away while our son settles in, so will have the time either way.

    Any further advice would be much appreciated!

    Should add I have a PGCE (with QTS) and are currently 2iC of Maths at an upper school (Yr9 to 13).

    Many thanks in advance.
  5. mrswallow

    mrswallow Occasional commenter

    A Maths teacher? With PGCE? With a visa already? You should find the process of registration and getting a job straightforward.

    It might be that if you apply for a job the school will help you with the registration process. You can complete it from the UK, it shouldn't be too hard. I don't know how much difference it will make.
  6. mrswallow

    mrswallow Occasional commenter

    NZ is short of specialist teachers in some subjects. Not all subjects. In some schools non-specialists are teaching outside of their areas. Not sure what SME stands for, but there you go.

    GTP outlawed but the unions? Not exactly. GTTP isn't recognised by Educanz or the NZQA as a valid qualification. I don't know how exactly the unions have 'outlawed' it....

    Normal NCEA Y13 school leavers are well behind... Well, depends how you measure it, what outcomes you think are important and who you ask. NCEA isn't perfect, there a some issues. It's all under review/ consultation at the moment.

    There is a shortage of teachers in general in NZ at the moment, and the government are looking at ways of filling gaps. It may well get a lot easier to get a job and teach in NZ in the next couple of years because of this. There may be some movement on the GTTP thing for example.
  7. Skeire

    Skeire New commenter

    We are planning as much as possible in advance. I got approval from NZQA very quick. It took about 1 month. Currently I'm waiting for the new language requirements which should be released on January 1 by the Teacher's Council. Hopefully I can do PGE instead of Ielts..... I think it would best to prepare as much as possible before because you will be very busy with adapting to a new life in New Zealand.
    I uploaded some additional information.

    Good luck.

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  8. T0nyGT

    T0nyGT Lead commenter

    If possible, definitely do PTE instead of IELTS. IELTS is a money making scheme and they'll give you a poor score on your first attempt almost guaranteed. I got a 7 in IELTS writing and a perfect score in all PTE sections.
  9. Sherbear320

    Sherbear320 New commenter

    If you grew up and did your education in England, with a degree and post grad from UK you don't need to prove your ability in English. I didn't need to to get registration and my visa, being educated in a native English system UK, Canada, USA, Aus etc is enough. Only needed if you didn't study in English speaking system for at least secondary and uni
  10. the hippo

    the hippo Lead commenter Community helper

    The other day I was listening to a rather amusing song by FASCINATING AIDA. It is called "And suddenly New Zealand". Most amusing.

    I am not surprised, Julian A Thompson, that New Zealand is very short of specialist teachers. Why might that be, I wonder?

    On a slightly more serious note, no one seems to have mentioned the unpleasant possibility that schools in New Zealand do not in fact provide their teachers with free apartments. Perhaps they do not pay the utility bills as well. Having taught in Kenya, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Romania, the UAE, Qatar and (as of the 3rd of January, 2019) Bulgaria, I am able to tell you that one of the major advantages of teaching overseas, as opposed to teaching in the UK, is that nearly all international schools provide accommodation for their teaching staff. I mean, if you are going to pay most of your salary in rent or in inflated mortgage repayments, you might as well stay in the UK and do that. Why bother going all the way to New Zealand in order to get ripped off by estate agents, lawyers and landlords, especially as teachers' salaries in NZ are so awful? Incidentally,

    Mr and Mrs Hippopotamus have just moved into a very spacious two-bedroomed apartment in a nice part of Sofia, right next to the park and a Metro station. It is also about fifteen minutes' walk from my school and yes, in case you had not guessed, my school is paying the rent AND all of the utilities. So enjoy New Zealand, the poor salaries, the sheep, the lambs and the occasional goat.
  11. T0nyGT

    T0nyGT Lead commenter

    I think most of the planet would rather pay their own rent and live in NZ than have a free apartment and live in Saudi Arabia. Horses for courses I guess.
  12. the hippo

    the hippo Lead commenter Community helper

  13. the hippo

    the hippo Lead commenter Community helper

    No reply from T0nyGT. Oh dear.
  14. T0nyGT

    T0nyGT Lead commenter

    Theres nothing to reply to. You have your opinions and so do others. However, I find it difficult to believe that you can't see why someone would choose New Zealand over Saudi Arabia/Egypt/Kenya et al. If money is the only motivator (a free apartment) then I think that teaching is a very poor choice indeed.

    I wish you well with your retirement in Bukgaria
  15. the hippo

    the hippo Lead commenter Community helper

  16. T0nyGT

    T0nyGT Lead commenter

    Oh I don't doubt it's difficult at the moment, but for a lot of people, when Australia is next door and paying far more, Saudi probably isn't strong on the radar. Especially when you've got kids and are possibly looking for a well-planned retirement in a first world country.

    Never been to New Zealand, but it draws a lot of people, and some in this thread won't be the breadwinners in a family which I guess makes house prices less if an issue.
  17. MyOrchid

    MyOrchid Occasional commenter

    TOny - agreed. Having lived in NZ I was very sad to leave, primarily for financial reasons. Teacher's pay is woeful, but a reflection of a small country with a small tax base. NZ is not without it's social problems. Large cities in Australia are also now out of the reach of many as the cost of accommodation has risen significantly in recent years. However, I wouldn't touch Saudi or most of the ME with a barge pole. Ditto the Middle Kingdom, of which some people seem so enamoured.

    Hippo, for someone in the role of "Lead commentator" and "Community helper", I find your comments unhelpful and unnecessary. A rent-free apartment and tax-free salary are not as important to everyone else as they appear to be to you, hence your career appears to have been spent in less desirable locations around the world.
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  18. T0nyGT

    T0nyGT Lead commenter

    Yeah 'community helper' seems to entail telling people how stupid their plans are and how they could get a free apartment in an oppressive state interspersed with pictures of a house in Bulgaria.
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  19. MyOrchid

    MyOrchid Occasional commenter

    No reply from the hippo. Oh dear.
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  20. daniel_laddiman1

    daniel_laddiman1 New commenter

    Hi everyone,

    Moving the conversation back to New Zealand...

    By August I will have three years experience teaching maths in a state secondary school here in the UK. I have QTS but not a PGCE. It sounds like it is not worth even applying to the NZQA as I don’t have sufficient qualifications. So my question is: Should I directly apply through the discretionary pathway? Or do I need evidence from the NZQA before doing this?

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