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Teaching in New Zealand - A Perspective

Discussion in 'Teaching abroad' started by andrewrockliffe, Dec 29, 2010.

  1. "However, despite what you say, the NZ curriculum is considered to be at the forefront of education"
    According to who! Who considers it that way? We must move in incredibly different circles. My thoughts are echoed by my school, which is now exclusively IGCSE (read the papers), and many others. It is subject dependant, of course, but from the cluster meetings I have attended there is deep frustration with NZQA, especially with externally moderated coursework, which is often marked by non-specialist subject teachers and whose goalposts change at an alarming rate. For those that are unfamiliar with the system - unlike the UK, the results are either 'Achieved' or 'Not Achieved', yes I know about merit and excellence, but let us consider the 'Not Achieved' award for a second. To recieve this, you can either:
    1. spend all year doing nothing, and submit minimal coursework.
    2. work really hard all year, submit a really good body of coursework, but miss out or fail to emphasise a miniscule detail.
    Same end result. Not achieved, no sliding scale, no D,E,F etc. This is not the way to educate children.
    NZQA operates by punishing young people for what they do not know, Cambridge operates by rewarding young people for what they do know. I have no need to defend my opinions, just do some background research and listen.
    Try this for size:
    "The Children's Commissioner believes there is room for improvement in the wake of a critical United Nations report into the rights of children in New Zealand.

    The UN is concerned over shortfalls in the welfare of our children, including "staggering" infant and child mortality rates and a lack of representation for children in legislation."
    I can furnish many more examples of where the hype and the advertising falls somewhat short of the real truth. Just let me know, I will be happy to oblige.

    And only a tiny minority of NZ schools are moving towards IGCSE "
  2. Sorry, that last line is out of context and should not be there!
    Also, I am getting a little tired of people throwing stones then hiding behind a pseudonym. If you have something to say, then please do the decent thing and let the world know who is talking. This is the TES website - we are meant to be professionals engaging in discussion - or is that something else I have misconstrued.

  3. Are you serious?
    People use pseudonyms on here not because they foresaw getting into a debate with you, but because they want anonymous advice on applying to international schools, recognising that many recruiters are also on here. They don't want to jeopardise their current or future jobs by being recognised.
    If this is your normal manner of viewing things, i.e. it's all about you, then I can see why you're having problems in NZ. That sort of BS is simply not tolerated there.
    And really, what does it matter who is talking? Does knowing my name make my opinion any more valid?
    People in NZ will also see straight through your tactic of trying to win an argument by throwing in quotes that are completely irrelevant and therefore misleadng.
    For those who aren't aware of it, those quotes speak to the admittedly horrifying incidences of violence perpetrated against small children, largely in the Maori community. While it is part of our national shame and as a nation we feel frustrated by our wefare organisations' apparent inability to stop it, it has no place in an argument about national qualifications. Two completely separate arguments.
    You obviously have not enjoyed your time in NZ and I am starting to see why. Your earlier posts demonstrate that you obviously expected things to revolve around you (why? Should we have felt that as you came to us from the mother country that we should be grateful and throw our cloaks on the ground?) and got very bitter when that didn't happen. You also mentioned that your wife agreed with you over your 'unfair' treatment regarding professional recognition/registration etc. Is your wife an expert on these rules? Is she even a teacher? Did she ever try to get QTS status in the UK?
    Fact: Every country has its rules regarding professional qualifications and if we wish to work there, we must jump through the hoops. You are no exception. Get over yourself. There are hundreds of Brits, Saffers and many other nationalities currently happily teaching in NZ. They got on with it, went through the processes and are now working their way up the hierarchy. My last school had them in various positions, TICs, HODs, deans and a DP. If they can do it, it suggests that the problem is not with the country, but with you.
  4. I have some great New Zealand friends here (in and out of work), and a fantastic extended family, some Maori, some Pakeha, and a great job (HOF) so please do not summise about things of which you know nothing. My comments are based on my experiences and the experiences of others, they are not fabricated. I have no doubt that you can counter this with hundreds who are happy - but you are completely missing the point, New Zealand is simply not for everyone, not by a long way.
    This is not about me! - my post was to warn others to be circumspect, if they are thinking of going there, especially with a family. The original post was a perspective of living and working in New Zealand, so my comments about the appalling child abuse and child safety were absolutely warranted. If someone wanted to go to the UK, I would give them an honest appraisal of living and working there, there are many faults everywhere - why are you so angry? - because I dared to question living in Godsown? If you want to have a go at the UK then please do - we are big enough to take the critisisms.
    I did not specify the issues which Sue was disgusted with - please try and read posts thoroughly before replying. She has been apalled at the actions of the immigration department, and has written 4 letters to the immigration minister to make formal complaints. She has also been very badly treated herself in the workplace in New Zealand, suffering a nervous breakdown at the hands of a corporate bully. She is incensed at the apathetic nature of the way the authorities deal with extremely serious problems - such as child abuse, health and safety, drinking, drug abuse and violence. She has also had many avoidable medical issues, which have left her in a great deal of pain and frustration. Please do not try to undermine her and diminish her right to speak out - that is one of the very things she is also fed up with in New Zealand.
    Make up your own mind potential leavers, but please, please make sure you read unbiased reports and not the hype and rediculously untrue advertising out there. As I said, New Zealand can be a great place to live and work, but it is not for everyone, not by a long way.

  5. It would be great to have a discussion on here about how we can make the New Zealand education system better, assuming it is not perfect?
    Instead of attacking the perpetrator of a discussion, undermining him so invalidating his views, is it not more professional and ,dare I say it, 'adult' to discuss the issues raised? You never know, we might come up with some decent ideas? If I didn't care about New Zealand, I would not have bothered to be here, because after all, faults and all, it is now my home. The process has been cathartic for me, for as we all know, talking about problems is the only way in which to get them sorted.
    There have been some heated comments on here, some of which had to be deleted because of their offensive personal nature, but can we please stop now. I am sorry if anyone has been upset by this post, as I am sure are those who have upset me. This was never the intention, so, if anyone would like to discuss ways in which the New Zealand education sytem could be improved, please continue, otherwise...... i'm off for a beer.

  6. I'm really confused- only last week I watched a lecture by Michael Morpurgo (British Children's Author) and he mentioned that New Zealand came 4th in the world for Reading, Maths and Science*...compared to the UK, which came 20th. Not sure about any1 else but I'm 100% certain where I'd rather my future children be educated.

    *OECD World Education Rankings: www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/dec/07/world-education-rankings-maths-science-reading
  7. I'm also confused. If I disliked a country as much as Andrew I'd pack a bag. As teachers we have the fabulous opportunity to work in some many different and exciting cultures. It will be a long time before I head back to the UK to educate.
  8. Hello, i've just been reading some post on this subject as i wish to teach in NZ when i graduate. Just wanted a heads up on things really, if possible. What is the Physical Education like over there? As that's the subject i wish to teach. Also is this true that they don't accept PGCE's?


  9. mrswallow

    mrswallow Occasional commenter

    You are probably better off asking the questions on the 'Want to live and teach in NZ' thread than this one TBH. But to answer your questions..
    PE is taught in mixed groups at most High Schools. As a PE teacher you will also be expected to teach Health and some PSHE bits and bobs. You may expect to manage/coach a school sports team, but these won't be managed by the PE Dept, but by the Sports Department. Most schools have a Sports Manager role who organises fixtures, accomadation, etc. There may be some Outdoor Ed requirements in PE, but it may be seperate subject..

    If the PGCE isn't accepted then I am in shtuck. GTP isn't recognised however. Best advice is get a few years experience under your belt in the UK, then look at it.
  10. The out door is the same one you walked in. Don't let it hit you on the way out!
  11. Left many moons ago - thanks for your concern and directions. Life is so much better in Oz, and the view of NZ is fabulous. Hundreds of thousands of Kiwis feel the same way - strange that.
  12. Hello! I moved over to NZ in May and I am currently on a one year contract in primary school and absolutely love it. My partner and I moved over on working holiday visas and then got work visas. I did contact schools before I came but never heard anything. A lot of Kiwi and expat teachers get their jobs through supply and they become permanent that way. I have noticed some of the private schools do advertise on TES so that could be worth a look out. There is a bit of a shortage of teachers so you are probably better off in the country. That said, I think for the population there are plenty of jobs, especially in Auckland. Register on Education Gazette.
  13. I think that you need to qualify where you are in the country. In many places right now, exactly the opposite of true and there are heaps and heaps of unemployed teachers competing for what few jobs are out there. If there is a shortage of teachers where you are, then it's an anomaly. It's certainly not like that in most places, especially Auckland.

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