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Teaching children with ADHD

Discussion in 'Behaviour' started by madwoman, Aug 16, 2005.

  1. DaisysLot

    DaisysLot Senior commenter

    I found a very interesting link on this...


    Which clearly states that its exisitance is subjective entirely, and that there are no physiological tests. 'Diagnosis' is b ythe completion of the standard DSM-IV - a survey of mental capacity and state of mind...

    "In 1998, The National Institute of Health held a Conference on ADD/ADHD. At the end of this conference they issued this statement: "....We do not have an independent, valid test for ADD/ADHD and there are no data to indicate that ADD/ADHD is due to a brain malfunction."...What a person needs to always remember, again and again, is that NO ?test? has ever been validated in the determination of ADD/ADHD....

    ...I would have to follow that this 'syndrome' is a collection of socially difficult behaviour, lending to a mental health problem which many are happy to have labelled and 'validated' to excuse it.

  2. Some reading for you madwoman!
  3. maj


    I agree there is no test that proves adhd.
    However you can have a test for the following:
    To see if your brainwaves are slower when concentrating if this is the case neurofeedback has changed this in many cases.
    There is also a test a blood test you can have to see if you are deficient in essential fatty acids which can lead to concentration problems.
    This is an emotive subject for parents with children who have problems and are under tremendous pressure from society to make their children behave.
    In the US many states break the law by trying to force parents to put their children on ritalin.
    Over here i think most parents only do this as a last resort when they are under so much pressure and have exhausted all other options.
    Do we really have the right to judge them so harshly?
    Let's hope none of us ever find ourselves having to make that choice.
    Usually before a diagnosis like this is given parents and teachers have exhausted all the traditional behaviour therapy routes which don't work with these children.
    I agree ther can be many reasons why children behave in a certain way but the above two tests are avialable.

    My advice to parents would be do as much reasearch yourself and examine all possiblities and question, question, question.

  4. I don't judge, maj. All I did was flag up that adhd was not a proven genetically inherited illness as was being claimed. it doesn't necessarily follow that a parent is somehow at fault if the child displays certain behaviours. As you say, and I said, there could be a dietary connection.

    I do realise that its a sensitive topic for parents but I don't think I should be browbeaten for asking people to keep an open mind on the topic.
  5. madwoman

    madwoman New commenter

    I have already 'read' this thank you mindful. I always keep an open mind!

    There are many dubious websites out there, as I am sure you are aware for any subject including ADHD.

    As Maj correctly comments, there are other testings apart from the 'rating scale 'symptoms. Obviously a list of symptoms has to be used initially as for any condition.....if you go to your GP with an injured toe, he will ask you several questions and using your answers will decide whether it is worthy of further investigation.

  6. maj


    I know where you are coming from mindful.

    It's just because it is such a sensitive issue taht parents get upset.

    I don't mean you when i say this as i think you are just suggesting a number of causes for adhd like behaviour.
    But some others think that any adhd like behaviour is just plain naughtiness and play blame the parents.
    This is why parents go so upset and as you and i both know it's bloody obvious when it isn't just naughty behaviour and there is something going on there.
    It's just very frustrating when some teachers can't tell the difference.
    I don't disagree with you about there being a number of reasons and needing to look at the whole picture, that is why parents need to be very careful and INSIST on seeing the best, don't just settle for any old ed psych or psychiatrist.
    Go to someone who has an open mind and doesn't just give a dignosis of a bloody checklist.

    It's the same with Autism anyone of us can exhibit these behaviours in a stressful enough enviroment.
    You need to look at the whole picture.
  7. maj


    madwoman, our posts crossed.
    I agree that the checklist should only ever be a starting point.
    Sadly there are cases where diagnosis have been made by this alone and on never meeting a child.
    Then you get the other extreme where genuine cases are missed or take years before they get a diagnosis.
  8. madwoman

    madwoman New commenter


    I totally agree with everything you have said.
    I think in the past diagnosis have been made on a checklist alone, however I can only speak from my experience.
    I took my son to the GP where he asked questions off the checklist. No diagnosis was made, but I was refered to a specialist.
    The specialist then explored many options,allergy testing, scans etc
    only then was a diagnosis made.
  9. Sorry for butting in but I have just spent the most horrendous 2 days with my 9 year old son who has ADHD and Aspergers syndrome, as well as other difficulties.
    Regardless of any debate over the merits of wether ADHD exists as a medical condition or not is totally irrelavent to me and my family! All we can say is that having 2 daughters who are 'normal' (please don't slate me for that term I know it isn't pc)we KNOW that something is definately not right.
    I do not tolerate any kind of rudeness in my children(yes even my son) and ALWAYS take them to task if neccessary but when you have been asking for help since your child was 6 months old and IGNORED or passed off as OVER ANXIOUS it is difficult 8 1/2 years later not to get your heckles up.
    I guess what I am saying is that no LABEL will ever excuse my sons behaviour and no amount of debating will change it either and YES we do need to keep an open mind but equally we need to RECOGNISE that for some children and their families, difficulties are made worse by being JUDGED ( and that is not aimed at anybody on this site BUT is aimed at all those who tut and shake their heads when I am trying to be the best mother that I can, albeit in the depths of depression most days :( )
  10. What a horrible,nasty thing to say.
  11. Yes it is. That IS an example of a blinkered attitude.
  12. madwoman

    madwoman New commenter

    we agree at last mindful! :)

    This is the attitude that parents of ADHD kids face on a daily basis. Unfortunatly this is why we get so upset with some teachers, and mistakenly view challanging views as ignorant, for which I appologise.
    Obviously his children don't suffer from ADHD.

    at least hopefully he is an Ex Ex teacher! as this is what makes teachers appear ignorant and unprofessional

  13. madwoman

    madwoman New commenter

    Ex EX...where were they when you were at school?

    They were still there, and medication was used, but it wasn't talked about. It was actually discovered in 1865 but wasn't widely recognised until 1902.

    ADHD is not a new thing!
  14. ex ex teacher

    Hope you have a great time in Egypt. I hope that you don't meet any little '******' there as wouldn't it be a pity to leave a country with '******' to be faced with '******' the world over.

    I was not rude in my post on this thread but for you I will make an exception

    ****** OFF (hate namecalling but seeing how you called my son indirectly a '*****')'******' WITH YOUR NARROW MINDED VEIWS

    I hope you are never presented with grandchildren with anything less than perfect behaviour, the poor little mites would stand NO CHANCE


    Some of what you say I totally agree with but now do you see why parents who are having a hard enough time as it is get very defensive without actually meaning too?


    Thanks for your support I will catch you later xxx

  15. madwoman

    madwoman New commenter

    I hope that some of the posters take note of your post Poppit.

    Unless you or a close member of the family suffer from a condition such as ADHD people have no idea about the devestation and real problems caused to families. Many parents as well as the kids with ADHD suffer from depression as a direct result of the pressures of living with a child with ADHD, and many families break - up.

    That was the whole idea of me starting the post in the first place, to clear up some of the myths associated with ADHD and to help teachers practically in the classroom.

    Fortunately most teachers are not like Ex Ex, but more unfortunately I don't think he is an Ex Ex, as he is going to Egypt to teach!

    Teachers like him are the reason why teachers have a bad press.
  16. madwoman

    madwoman New commenter


    I also remember Ex Ex, calling me a F***wit parent as I had a F***wit child as he has ADHD in another thread.

  17. madwoman

    madwoman New commenter

  18. russtic

    russtic New commenter

    Personally I don't think it is a helpful label. 15 years ago it was called 'maladjusted' meaning unable to cope in a 'normal' environment. The symptoms and the 'solutions' are pretty much the same.

    I do think that it is over diagnosed and the whole scale treatment with drugs is counter productive. We fostered a boy who we were told had 'extreme ADHD' a few years ago. In reality a stable home with consistent behaviour management meant that he was able to function without drugs. School was an ongoing problem because he demanded attention.

    The other question I have is why the incidence of it is so high in some countries and not others. According to friends who teach in germany and holland they know of no child with the problem.

    The problem with the label is that it is an excuse for poor behaviour - the cry I can't help it- and it disempowers young people from being in control of their own behaviour.

    I treat ADHD children the same as my 'naughty' children - consistent rewards/sanctions, put with well behaved children, reduce distractions etc.

    How then does the label help??
  19. maj


    "In reality a stable home with consistent behaviour management meant that he was able to function without drugs. School was an ongoing problem because he demanded attention,"
    So your good stable home life didn't help him function in school.

    "I treat ADHD children the same as my 'naughty' children - consistent rewards/sanctions, put with well behaved children, reduce distractions etc."
    The difference is a normal child with soon learn that behaving in a naughty way will get them a sanction and so the behaviour improves.
    A child who has ADHD never learns this as the impulse takes over even though they know they will be punished.
    It's a bit like saying i treat children who need glasses to read the same as children who don't.
    I don't give either group of glasses i expect both groups to be able to read without the glasses, it just isn't going to happen.
    People have different needs, we are not all the same.
  20. russtic

    russtic New commenter

    1) The adhd had been diagnosed at the request of the previous foster parents. ie the problem was at home not school.

    2) if it is medical (which btw i didn't comment on)then how can a child be adhd from 9-3 and fine the rest of the time and in holidays?

    3) If you look at the advice given for dealing with adhd most of it is the same as good behaviour management.

    what exactly should i be doing differntly?

    I REFUSE to label children in this way it is unhelpful for them and is demeaning. They are children and individuals and need support and help tailoured for them.


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