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Teaching apprentices

Discussion in 'Education news' started by Shedman, Dec 1, 2017.

  1. Shedman

    Shedman Star commenter


    Do I detect the merest hint of desperation in this new scheme to recruit teachers?

    Of particular interest was the passage:

    Under the apprenticeship scheme, the grants available to schools for the high-priority subjects of chemistry, classics, mathematics, languages and physics range from £12,500 to £17,400. In other priority subjects – biology, design and technology, English, geography, history, music, religious education, and primary with maths – grants range from £7,500 to £11,100

    Doesn't the list of high priority and priority subjects with the exception of Art basically cover the entire secondary curriculum?
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  2. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    A job creation scheme of dual effect i.e. an anticipation of graduate dissatisfaction with the Tory job market which funnels money to Tory-friendly private interests in the education sector.
  3. thyr

    thyr Occasional commenter

    How much of the extra money will go to senior management to compensate for the extra responsibility
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  4. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    This is not a sign of a desperate government trying to cover up the huge faultlines in a profession riven with despair after years of mismanagement and inferring government ''oversight'', where experienced teachers have been driven out and the reputation of the job dragged into the gutter by the very ministers who were supposed to oversee the sector but who instead pandered to a media myth of the ''bad teacher'' and pushed lies and deceit [we can all be above average] in an effort to mask their own inadequacies.

    No sireee, not a sign of that at all.
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  5. sparkleghirl

    sparkleghirl Star commenter

    And if an apprentice system could attract canditates, what would happen? How many, after completing their apprenticeship and reaching the end of any govt subsidies to their salaries, will be capabilitied out (or simply 'failed' if that's how it works) and replaced by the next, subsidised new apprentice?
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  6. JohnJCazorla

    JohnJCazorla Star commenter

    The problem with the recruitment crisis is that it hampers the strategy of 'Sack the old ones, bring in the cheap ones'. This could be a solution to that problem.
  7. elder_cat

    elder_cat Established commenter

    The old YOPS and TOPS schemes allowed companies to take on young people at a ridiculously low rate of pay, on the basis they were providing 'training'. Strangely, once the cash dried up, the job done by the trainee was no longer considered necessary, and the company let them go. Probably a similar system under a different name.
  8. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    I have a nagging feeling that I taught Carter's daughter in the 1990s. They were very very demanding parents, only the best for her. Er...right...so el cheapo inexperienced trainees are ok for everyone else's kids, just not his own? Total hypocritical bellend.
  9. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

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  10. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    Ooh...and kicking the poor sucked dry husks of apprentices would be soooooomuch cheaper than that oh so pesky hassle of capability! Ooh, lovely!
  11. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    God our unions are RUBBISH, aren't they?!
  12. Josh7

    Josh7 Occasional commenter

    Not that old chestnut again.

    Who are the unions? Too many teachers are too apathetic/scared/disengaged to stand up for themselves, their future colleagues and the pupils under their care, the last of which being the ironic excuse many give for not taking action.
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  13. Jolly_Roger1

    Jolly_Roger1 Star commenter

    Grants to entice chemistry teachers back into schools? That is a joke! I suspect these schemes, just like those that are supposed to attract 'returners' back into schools are just a cynical ploy to use people on the cheap for a few months and them cast them off to make way for the next load of mugs.
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  14. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    Well, ok, yes, WE are all rubbish as well then. Oh dear.
  15. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    Are you a science teacher? Because in the area I live in, the parents are desperate for tutors in science subjects. Madly, urgently, anxiously desperate. The local school newsletters seem the place to advertise.
  16. sabrinakat

    sabrinakat Star commenter

    Good to see Classics so highly regarded ;)
  17. drek

    drek Star commenter

    All these stop gap schemes are simply bleddy exhausting for experienced qualified teachers.
    Those without leadership status often have to take on groups of students others don’t want or cant deal with whilst others are being mentored or mentoring, going on many ‘leadership’ courses and producing dfe and OFSTEd friendly ‘reports’.

    Many experienced UPS teachers often have to take on larger than average groups of all the pupil premium, SEND and poor behaviour issues in mish mash groups and do all the teaching hours god sends including cover lessons for other subjects to compensate for shortages and illnesses brought on by overwork and pressure through no fault of recruitment and retention mismanagement on their part.

    And despite this many are having to face ‘accountability’ meetings during performance management meetings where they get told they won’t get their UPS because of.....’made up nonsense targets not evidenced’

    Leading to more shortages....... Respect teachers new or experienced stop treating teachers like naughty children requiring guidance over every little thing, by people claiming they are experts.

    We have had to do our jobs in the face of no funding for books, one photocopier shared by 70 staff for 1200 students, new fads, demands to tailor huge amounts of content to individual needs and abilities by people who don’t have a clue what that involves nor how many hours that takes.

    Leave us alone to do the job your so called overpaid experts can’t or simply won’t do. They have no respect for us. We have neither the time nor the patience to pander to their one a day demands.
  18. zappaphillius

    zappaphillius New commenter

    Some years back some headteacher conjured up the title, “ASSISTANT TEACHER”! Nothing new here
  19. Jolly_Roger1

    Jolly_Roger1 Star commenter

    I am, indeed. No such dearth exists in London. :(
  20. JohnJCazorla

    JohnJCazorla Star commenter

    Eeh, a photocopier, what a luxury. At my last permanent post money was so short that all lessons had to be on the interactive whiteboard and it's no joke in classrooms where this is so low the back rows couldn't see most of it. And with 30 in the class no chance to rearrange seats. Never mind the SEN needs meaning the board was inadequate for some.

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