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Teachers; Supply Teachers; CS : are we the same?

Discussion in 'Supply teaching' started by donrickles, Feb 1, 2020.

  1. donrickles

    donrickles New commenter

    On a daily supply I faced a 30mins tutor followed by 6 lessons 55 mins for a 4pm finish.
    In a challenging secondary academy. The academy duly paid teacher rate 140.
    I asked a perm how they managed 6 lessons a day. She duly replied that although perms are contracted until 4.15pm no teacher would be expected to teach more than 5 lessons in anyone day.

    One of the 6 lessons actually ended up as formal exam invigilation. Again perms would not be expected to do invigilation as invigilators we’re employed.

    Now an unqualified cs might do all this on 60 day. As a teacher I have no problem teaching but see invigilation as something we agreed not to do.

    My point is as supply teachers do we just do whatever is expected and kerching take the cash and **** off. Or are we the same a qts perm teachers.? Have we been devalued are we seen as cs only. Do admin staff see any difference.?

    Seems we get screwed on daily pay and pension, and perception and status. Are we now also
    screwed by unqualified cover managers and perms attitude?

    Views please.
  2. lovejoy_antiques

    lovejoy_antiques Senior commenter

    On supply I tend to do what I'm told. Supply is a very fragile platform from which to quote the burgundy book. Turn up, survive the day and go home on time not completely frazzled is my goal. I don't always manage it.
  3. davidmu

    davidmu Occasional commenter

    I see nothing wrong with donrickles timetable for the day. If the OP found that difficult the answer is not to go there again. Supply is to fulfill a need.
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  4. blazer

    blazer Star commenter

    If I do a short notice supply day I just do whatever I am asked. Full TT no probs, break duty, of course, tutor group, OK. Work is set and they just get on with it. If I am doing a longer stint in my subject (or a closely related subject) then I would expect some non-contact periods to allow planning etc. If I am on a day supply in a school I like and by some chance I do get a 'free' then I will volunteer to be a classroom helper or do some marking for a colleague in that free. All helps to get repeat work.
    MissGeorgi, agathamorse and tonymars like this.
  5. nearmiss

    nearmiss Lead commenter

    We're just the tail of a big dog. Schools are completely strapped for cash, with a cautious prediction that many MATs and free schools will be bankrupt once the golden handshake money is gone. There's just no money in the state system now. Following on from the model in the US, the role of teacher is being significantly downgraded to that of a supervisor watching learners tap their way through externally sourced programmes of study. The current US Secretary for Education, the billionaire Betsy de Vos, is pushing her programme through without any consultation. We're next. It's happening subtly in so many schools now. LEA schools will soon be a thing of the past. Increasingly schools are being sponsored by businesses, some more aware than others about how learning really takes place.
    Blurring the lines between what a teacher, a TA and a cover supervisor's role is helps implement more cuts. I have seen whole schools staffed by trainees and NQTs panicking because no one felt able to lead a subject area, so they but in a a scheme.
    Absolutely no one in this government sends their own kids to study in the underfunded, downgraded system they've cobbled together. They pay for smaller classes, specialist teachers, enrichment activities, exam coaching, personalised learning, no SAT's, a different GCSE programme.
    Do you think they even know what a teacher does?
    They know the new batch of in-service trainees are not in it for the long term. They know that teachers have not voted in favour of industrial action and talks.
    It won'taaffect them if the local nursery closes or local kids have to commute miles because their sixth form is no more.
    The casino economy that now dominates our financial services based economy means they simply can't predict what GDP is going to be from day to day. They announced that austerity was over, had an election, won and then announced that all government departments are now obliged to make 4% savings this year.
    Grab what you can while it's on offer, have the guts to demand the maximum that you dare right now (your MPS rate) and make sure you have a second income stream for lean times, which are surely coming.
    We will all be casual workers soon. Permanent contracts will not be encouraged, HR is already being outsourced to ensure you are not afforded employee status, payroll will be outsourced to further distance worker, from intermediary, from wage payer and from workplace client.
    These are bad times for the public sector. Not just in education but across the board - medicine, social care, armed forces, police, prisons, probation officers, the lot are having to deliver more. Notoriously inefficient profit-making companies like Serco, Capita, G4, Southern Rail, Northern Rail have cut staff, renegotiated contracts, cut services and left the tax payer to fix what they broke.
    Has anyone actually noticed any improvement?
    Schools totally rely on staff working huge unpaid overtime, until they burn out. A tray cupcakes in the staff room on Friday isn't my definition of well-being, a little doodle book for teachers to slot in a couple of minutes of mindfulness is a joke. Even the head of Ofsted admits that inspections are the last straw for teachers. The education system has very signicant flaws and will continue to dwell there, while the principles of commercial manufacturing are imposed on it.
    Only genuine teacher autonomy and a realistic budget is going to make a difference. Right now, we can whistle for that.
  6. tonymars

    tonymars Established commenter

    This is very dark,nearmiss, but, sadly, all true.

    "We will all be casual workers soon." Indeed, and not just in teaching or even in the public sector.

    Those on the ground will soon notice an explosion of tent cities, as is happening in the US. All deniable, of course, by state controlled media.

    Education? Yes, for the future, look over the pond.
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  7. tonymars

    tonymars Established commenter

    Are cover supervisors and supply teachers seen as the same? By the kids, certainly, so we arrive in classes where the kids are used to doing, or not doing, as they wish.
    Who cares?
  8. sbkrobson

    sbkrobson Star commenter

    If your remit bothers you, then the correct thing to do is complain to your agency.
    From there, either-
    they will ask the school to amend your duties (possible)
    they will pay you more (unlikely)
    they will cease to find you more placements (fairly likely)

    Depends on your contract with the agency, and on how expendable you've made yourself to them.
    If you have no detailed contract with your agency outlining precisely the things you should do, then that is your fault.

    Even so, it is unheard of to me to insist "no, I wont do invigilation".
  9. wilsonella0611

    wilsonella0611 New commenter

    The casino economy that now dominates our financial services based economy means they simply can't predict what GDP is going to be from day to day.
    Our online casino Bao for Australia has now become one of the most popular of the new online casinos !
  10. historygrump

    historygrump Star commenter Forum guide

    The schools and politicians like to think so, by the way CS are expected to do the role of a teacher for the half the money.
  11. donrickles

    donrickles New commenter

    Thanks for your responses. Supply is a different gig obviously. Going forward it’s take the money do whatever, no airs and graces. It’s all ****** up anyhow.

    interesting how cs has changed the face of supply teaching and attitudes and expectations.
  12. tonymars

    tonymars Established commenter

    Find and develop a second income stream if you can
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  13. Jolly_Roger15

    Jolly_Roger15 Star commenter

    Nowadays, teachers are expected to teach for the same money as a CS!
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  14. Deirds

    Deirds Senior commenter

    I think you were lucky to get £140 for the day. You may feel some of the duties were beneath you but a Cover Supervisor would get £65 for the day. Invigilation is boring but it beats a fusillade of pen lids and boiled sweets when you turn round to the smart board! You do have the option of not going back to that school. Sorry you had a bad day.

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