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Teachers' spelling

Discussion in 'English' started by andybeale, Oct 25, 2010.

  1. I was being ironic. I find very little in masha's 'research' that I take seriously.
    Maybe the apostrophe will evolve away, but writers generally write with an intuitive style which would make it unlikely that it would be dropped. It just 'occurs' where it occurs in much the same ways as copy typists rarely made mistakes.
  2. Noted and appreciated.
    I quite like this link:

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  3. doesn't beat our one last year telling the parents about the wonders of the tamil-flu treatment...

    lets just say the school I teach at is VERY multicultural and more than a couple of eyebrows were raised.

  4. this sounds completely sensible to me.
    PLUS I'd rather my students used an ambitious word and needed spelling correction than dumbed down to be correct. I'm an English teacher - I don't expect kids to be perfect but I do expect them to learn from their mistakes and sometimes I find myself learning from my own alongside them and I say bring it on!

    and - as I know this apple of mine won't paragraph...... I also think that we are allowed some time off from being perfect. Dialectical differences and animated discussion should not and do not lend themselves to standard English usage - and long may it remain so. If it wasn't for the constant evolution of English we would find our language out-moded and ineffectual as a modern form of communication. then we'd all be out of a job. innit blud.
  5. keyboard2

    keyboard2 Established commenter

    Thank you. Sorry Masha.
  6. ... but pronounced marsha ...
  7. keyboard2

    keyboard2 Established commenter

    I've hear her called other things in private... They don't sound like Marsha - I'm told...
  8. keyboard2

    keyboard2 Established commenter

    Should be heard, not 'hear'.
  9. I agree.
    Very much so, but even great people don't get everything right. He thought that English spelling was so bad that it needed a completely new alphabet. (I think just improving it, by reducing some of the worst hassles, would be good enough.)
    But until the advent of computers, it was difficult to see the basic rules of the system for all its irregularities. The first analyses which established that roughly half of all English words contain some unpredictably spelt letters were only begun in the mid 50s, when Shaw was already dead.
    It was thanks mainly to Shaw though that the Commons passed the Spelling Reform Bill in 1953. But it was a private member' s bill and was not even put before the Lords.
    The 1963-4 research with i.t.a., to establish if improving English spelling would make learning to read and write easier, came out of that. It proved that it would, but many schools then stupidly used i.t.a. to circumvent spelling reform and more or less killed the impetus for reform.

  10. English, statistics, history, ... You're hopeless at. Is there anything you do know about?
    I wonder how people knew how to read at all if nobody knew that there were irregular spellings.

  11. In addition to knowing very little about the English language, Masha is also the queen of the spilt infinitive. She does it all the time.

    In case you don't know what I'm talking about Masha, (as you didn't know that "90's" was incorrect), in the Star Trek version of English "to boldly go" is not grammatically correct, but you seem to place your adverbs incorrectly most of the time in your writing.
    Mashabell's English: It's English Jim, but not as we know it.......
  12. markuss

    markuss Occasional commenter

    Oh dear! Sorry, Penny, but that's a hoary old myth.
    It may not always be elegant style when infinitives are split but it's never been grammatically incorrect in English. To actually claim in this enlightened age (as far as knowledge of English grammar goes) that this sentence is grammatically incorrect is missing the mark completely.
    In the Grammar schools, it used to be only Latin grammar that was taught. Consequently, as infinitves could not be split in that language, it was thought to be wrong to do so in English.
    A similar notion is the idea that there's a rule that sentences must not end with prepositions. This is the sort of grammar up with which modern teachers should not put.
  13. keyboard2

    keyboard2 Established commenter

    Not necessarily. You are confused with tense.
  14. keyboard2

    keyboard2 Established commenter

  15. Wanted to defend TAs here. I'm a TA with a degree in English, and I do not make these mistakes. Please do not generalise, most TAs know what they're doing!!
  16. Hmm. Well, at the risk of seeming pedantic, I'd rather see a semicolon after 'generalise', but, of course, I accept that a lot of TAs know how to spell and punctuate. However, some don't. I did say 'a TA' so I wasn't suggesting that all TAs are guilty of giving children incorrect advice.
  17. In the US they use 'practice' for 'a practice' and 'to practice'. The British distinction is utterly pointless.
    But Americans make up for that simplification by writing 'wise' but 'socialize'.
    Making learning to read and write easier is as unpopular here as there.
  18. Why don't we just use ugg for every word and leave people to work it out for themselves?
  19. Whoa whoa whoa, you just quoted me on that - I was quoting someone else to DEFEND TAs - I don't want to be mistaken for making some of the awful views in this thread. And by the way, PinkRuby, if you weren't talking about TAs generally then perhaps it's not spelling you should be worried about, but sentence structure, as you certainly did imply most TAs in your comment
  20. Your comment prompted me to look back at what I did write and I had to go back to the first page. I definitely said 'a TA', which suggests (to me, anyway) it happens sometimes rather than it's something that most TAs do. The original post was criticising teachers who made basic spelling errors and my point was that we all make errors but that doesn't mean that we are unable to spell or punctuate. I think there are teachers who do confuse homophones and use commas incorrectly (hopefully not too many teaching English) but that making errors in posts here doesn't make you one of them.

    I've seen lots of TA comments on children's work where they have changed full stops to commas to splice sentences and where they have corrected spellings but got 'practise' etc wrong. This weekend, I've seen the comment 'Use seperate sections' in three books - written by the same TA. I was speaking from my own experience and not suggesting that yours or anyone else's is the same.

    I don't have anything else to say on this. I'm not criticising you or TAs in general - just saying it has happened to me in every school I've worked in. Sometimes. Some TAs. Nothing more than that.

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