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Teachers - has the fight back against kids begun?

Discussion in 'Education news' started by binaryhex, Oct 31, 2018.

  1. binaryhex

    binaryhex Lead commenter

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-46047517

    Thank the Lord Jesus, his disciples, the donkey that carried the Virgin Mary to give birth and the carrots that gave the donkey strength, that you don't have to teach there with those kids and that SLT and those employers at that Council. Thank the Lord.

    (Bleeding lefty hearts, please post. Let me guess, the kids are misunderstood and it's all the Government's fault.)
     
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  2. peter12171

    peter12171 Lead commenter

    I was just about to post this. Shocking, simply shocking lack of pastoral care from the school towards their staff.

    (and this the day after it was announced there would be a ‘zero tolerance’ policy towards people being aggressive towards NHS staff).
     
  3. binaryhex

    binaryhex Lead commenter

    Shamefully weak Union reaction, though.

    If ever there was a case for a Union membership walkout, this must be it. The Union is too woolly and accommodating. This is a clear cut case and they should show they won't stand for it by organising a ballot and advising its membership to make a stand, as it could be them next time.
     
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  4. yodaami2

    yodaami2 Lead commenter

    I’m a bleeding lefty heart. However this does not preclude me supporting these teachers. No matter the background of the children there is never an excuse for any violent behaviour.
    I resent your comment re “lefties”I think it niaive and inflammatory, and as such unnecessary. Just stating that you support the teachers will do.
    PS I thank the staff for their strength and moral fibre in refusing to put up with the violence, and I hope some good comes of it.
     
  5. schoolsout4summer

    schoolsout4summer Lead commenter

    "Lefties"? It was a rabid Right Wing political agenda that got us to this sorry state of affairs - nothing to do with Lefties.
    Kin' Tory trolls infest our media.
    Voluntary, misguided or paid, I wonder?
     
  6. Fleecyblanket

    Fleecyblanket New commenter

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    I hardly think the union is bring woolly headed
    The union is actually supporting the members.
     
  7. monicabilongame

    monicabilongame Star commenter

    Teachers get assaulted? Call in the police and press charges. Parents should all withdraw their children as the school is manifestly not able to keep them safe. Teachers should all go off sick with WRS because of unsafe working conditions. Then the SLT can deal with the brats.
     
  8. Ezioclone

    Ezioclone New commenter

    Fully agree with BinaryHex.
    Dreadfully weak union reaction.

    Ensuring that school’s meet their legal obligation to provide a safe place of work for teachers should be the unions #1 priority.
    Being routinely forced to teach kids for whom you repeatedly have to write up incident reports should be strong evidence that the school’s existing support/provision for the student IS NOT WORKING and unions should quickly intervene to ensure SLT take extra action to CHANGE THE SITUATION.
    It’s absolutely unacceptable that teachers are forced to endlessly continue ‘teaching’ such students.

    I have seen exactly this problem in very many Secondary schools, and most GOOD teachers choose to leave (is that REALLY a good outcome for anyone?) and the remainers become disillusioned/dis-empowered/depressed/robotic.

    Why do unions.focus so much on PAY when it’s appalling working conditions like these that are the #1 issue?

    MMT
     
  9. ridleyrumpus

    ridleyrumpus Senior commenter

    I am not sure where you are coming from on this. They are making a stand and an intelligent one too.

    The union balloted the member on what action to take and it was decided that as a union they would stand together and refuse to teach these pupils but NOT disadvantage the other students by going on an all out strike.

    This way they are taking the high ground, they are still turning up for work to teach those that are safe to teach. It is the employers who are insisting that they teach pupils that the teachers consider danger to themselves and other pupils. It is the employers who are refusing to let them work.

    Personally I think that this is a very good way of going about it. No doubt the parents of those pupils who do behave are aware of the problems and will be behind the teachers who want to teach THEIR children. At the same time they will be against the council insisting on having their children's education being disrupted.

    Going on a walkout or all out strike would have been a very wrong move.
     
  10. yodaami2

    yodaami2 Lead commenter

    The union seems to have taken a firm stand initially, supporting the the teachers in their refusal to teach the 8. However now something much more robust is needed because the city council is refusing to allow them to teach any of the other students and has stopped their pay! The asosa needs to become s only.
    Oh and from a bleeding heart point of view; school or this type of school is not the place for these children, but there are few other provisions. And probably none rehabilitive.
     
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  11. drek

    drek Lead commenter

    I stand by these teachers. For too long we have been asked to suck up verbal/physical assaults silently under the guise of improving this that and the other.
    Sadly I also have no doubt that these teachers will be left to pick up the pieces of their broken lives and careers simply because they said 'no' to physical and verbal assault.
     
  12. ridleyrumpus

    ridleyrumpus Senior commenter

    Yes the council has stopped their pay and is turning them away from their place of work everyday.

    Eventually the council is going great to have to justify why it was withholding pay to employees who were willing and able to work, who turned up to work everyday but we're only I siting that their employers provided them a safe place to work.

    It will be interesting to see this one pan out.

    The teachers will be able to get some money from the union.
     
  13. PeterQuint

    PeterQuint Lead commenter

    I think perhaps the best way to deal with this is for the unions to sue the school if a teacher is assaulted by a pupil who'd previously been shown to be dangerous.

    As has been noted, schools have a legal duty of care to the health and safety of all pupils, staff and visitors which overrides every other obligation.

    As soon as this happens, no school would dare leave a dangerous pupil in a school again.
     
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  14. mermaid

    mermaid New commenter

    Do you know that this is a specialist autism school?

    I'm not sure 'fighting back' against autistic pupils or calling them [original comment has been removed from the site] is the right response??? The children have already been put in a specialist setting, where else do you propose they are educated?

    The issue here is that the school is clearly unable, for reasons not made clear, to meet these pupils' needs. That is what needs addressing.
     
  15. ridleyrumpus

    ridleyrumpus Senior commenter

    I think that this is sort of what the teachers are asking for, if the pupils need were addressed then they would not be or not be able to physically attack the teachers.
     
  16. mermaid

    mermaid New commenter

    Indeed, I'm not questioning the teachers' actions. They obviously feel that this is the only way they can effect change.

    Nasty, ignorant tone from the OP here though. Totally blaming the pupils, whereas failures at multiple levels will underlie their aggressive behaviours.
     
  17. binaryhex

    binaryhex Lead commenter

    "Totally blaming the pupils, whereas failures at multiple levels will underlie their aggressive behaviours."

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  18. mermaid

    mermaid New commenter

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    Thank the Lord Jesus, his disciples, the donkey that carried the Virgin Mary to give birth and the carrots that gave the donkey strength, that you don't work in SEN.
     
  19. Bobbbs

    Bobbbs Occasional commenter

    Except it isn't a specialist Autism school, according to their own website.
    "Kaimes is a school for pupils who have complex, long term additional support needs where the presumption of mainstream can not be met. Our learners require support with social and pragmatic communication needs associated with Autism Spectrum"
    Students may be Autistic, but that is not a requirement. The students in question could have fallen under other diagnosis.

    And, like you've said, we don't know the reasoning behind all of this. I think we'd be best served to wait for a full release of the circumstances to be made before we pass judgement.
     
  20. mermaid

    mermaid New commenter

    What you have quoted there suggests to me that all the pupils have autism dx. That's not really the point though is it?

    How about...

    Teachers- has the fight back begun against underfunded, badly commissioned, often downright poor SEN provision that leaves pupils and teachers unsafe?

    No- lets call them [original comment has been removed from the site]. OP should hang their head in shame for that.
     
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