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Teacher shortage is getting worse, according to MPs

Discussion in 'Education news' started by MacGuyver, Feb 21, 2017.

  1. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    Can't ever see OFSTED delivering on that. They can hot air about it but will not deliver.
     
  2. Compassman

    Compassman Star commenter

    Oh you don't have to tell me about that.

    It's called bullying.
     
  3. yorkie63

    yorkie63 New commenter

    Maybe you as well.
     
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  4. needabreak

    needabreak Star commenter

    They are trying to save their schools in so doing are they not? The reputation, future intake, avoiding radical imposed changes when deemed requiring improvements? Or are we saying that they are ill equipped to deal with the business model that the schools have been turned into?
     
  5. lulu57

    lulu57 Lead commenter

    Whenever the government deny the teacher crisis and talk about record levels of funding, I'm reminded of a news report about the Iraqi war. An Iraqi minister was denying that there were American tanks entering Baghdad, whilst over his shoulder, tanks could clearly be seen rolling along the road. Even when the reporter pointed out the obvious evidence, he was still in denial.
    Mad!
     
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  6. PeterQuint

    PeterQuint Lead commenter

    If the phrase 'any other reasobable duties' (or similar) isn't in your contract, you're very much the exception rather than the rule.
     
  7. PeterQuint

    PeterQuint Lead commenter

    Almost all of those things (future intake, reputation, radical changes imposed) will happen with a poor Ofsted report. That and the HT losing his/her job.

    That's why Ofsted are key to change. We would not all be triple marking in different coloured pens had Ofsted not indicated it would het you a good report. Now Ofsted say 'it's not required', that changes nothing. If I tell you that you definitely WILL get a wage rise if you wear a tie, but then I say it's not necessary and you MIGHT get one without, you'll still be wearing a tie tomorrow.

    Currently Ofsted say 'triple marking isn't necessary, you MIGHT get a good report without it'. Change that to 'you WILL get an RI if you insist on a marking policy which damages staff and hence standrds' and you'll get the change you require.
     
  8. Landofla

    Landofla Established commenter

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  9. Landofla

    Landofla Established commenter

    @PeterQuint your proposal wouldn't work. You can't actually measure how damaging it is to staff and how that affects standards.

    What you need are teachers who stand up for themselves and each other. I would call a rolling strike. SATs week. Absolutely no messing about and no prisioners taken.
     
  10. needabreak

    needabreak Star commenter

    How do you expect OFSTED *a quasi independent regulator of education, to effect change to concerning employee and employer (key stakeholder) conflicts?
     
  11. BarryIsland

    BarryIsland New commenter

    However, a good start would be to get rid of the catch-all phrase in nearly all teachers' job descriptions: 'and any other task that the head teacher directs the teacher to undertake' or similar.[/QUOTE]


    Indeed. This line is the killer and nothing we seem to be able you do about it.
     
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  12. BarryIsland

    BarryIsland New commenter

    40 hours a week can't be reasonable, remember we have to make up for having 13 weeks off.
    They should be able to get at least 55 hrs a week out of us.
     
  13. BarryIsland

    BarryIsland New commenter

    Mine says the same.
     
  14. BarryIsland

    BarryIsland New commenter

    But does it? Until there is actual proof of this workloads will not be altered.
    Our school flogs staff and has high staff turn over but the result continue to be great.
    I wish it were different because our arguments to reduce workload dream on deaf ears as SMT fear any reduction in workload will reduce outcome for students.

    I was led to believe that London Challenge Schools that are getting great results have high staff turnover as staff are flogged. Is this true?
     
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  15. BarryIsland

    BarryIsland New commenter

    Is there proof of this?
     
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  16. Compassman

    Compassman Star commenter

    A former HoD (a real SLT bottom licker) in fact told me that the reason why teachers had to work so many hours was because the public thought they only worked 39 weeks a year and went home at 3pm. My reply that I didn't give a **** what the public thought didn't impress him

    Odd how, in my non-teaching job, I now have 37.5 hour weeks 28 days off a year and have never had so much free time in years!

    I shouldn't care but seeing as my wife is suffering from work overload, my kids are still in the system and have friends still teaching means I do.
     
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  17. PeterQuint

    PeterQuint Lead commenter

    You seem to live in a world where that matters.

    Ofsted work on the basis of assuming they've seen or not seen a whole load of things it's not possible to prove (progress of most students in a 20 minute observation), and it's not stopped them before.

    All academies (should) now have a staff questionaire. They're very easy to set up. All Ofsted have to do is to standardise one and set it up. Every member of staff fills it in every year. The questions ask about worload, working practices, and so on. Ofsted look at thie results when they look at the othe data.

    If excessive worload is flagged up, Ofsted look for it during their inspection, as well as holding anonymous interviews.

    They look at books. If excessive marking is required, it'll soon become obvious.

    Piece of cake.
     
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  18. PeterQuint

    PeterQuint Lead commenter

    How do we expect Ofsted to affect workload? I'm not sure it'll take too long to find a whole load of evidence they can do that.
     
  19. teselectronic

    teselectronic Occasional commenter

    There may be more Teachers, however, are they good enough!
    Are people going into Teaching because of the lack of opportunities in
    Industry?
    Anyone who goes into teaching, should do so, because they want to make a difference to pupils' lives and not through lack of work.
    I carried out a three hour tutorial yesterday evening on the new GCSE Higher Tier AQA 8300 Mathematics Specimen Paper.
    The pupil understood how to apply composite functions, equation of a circle formula and other components at the top end of the (1-9 ) scale.
    However, when the pupil was asked to multiply 5.6 by 48, unfortunately, could not even start.
    The pupil suggested that he never understood this type of computation and it was the Teachers fault!
    Although I don't agree, with the above statement; are we training and employing the correct type of Teachers?
     
  20. needabreak

    needabreak Star commenter

    That wasn't really my question was it? To clarify we are now talking about discrepancies within individual organisations whether or not there is an overarching link and communality between similar ones. We can take the responsibility further back but the real issue is with the employers not OFSTED. Whether you see your employer as your Governors, HT or Gov't is a matter of opinion but they aren't OFSTED.
     

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