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Teacher shortage is getting worse, according to MPs

Discussion in 'Education news' started by MacGuyver, Feb 21, 2017.

  1. thin_ice

    thin_ice Occasional commenter

    I’d rather take the word of someone (ie @MrMedia) who works in the specific sector being discussed, not what ‘I’ve heard’.
  2. thin_ice

    thin_ice Occasional commenter

    There is a strong whiff of the troll about this poster in this thread and others.
    harsh-but-fair likes this.
  3. needabreak

    needabreak Star commenter

    "I've heard" from parents of students and students who have had said breakdowns and others who have not completed courses that they should have been capable of as well as data on MH issues among students in the sector, but you can think what you like especially as I was actually addressing someone else's points.
  4. needabreak

    needabreak Star commenter

    We could say the same about you... Or indeed anyone.
  5. Stiltskin

    Stiltskin Star commenter

    You say your tutors marked strictly and fairly, which I have no doubt is true. But on its own tells you nothing against grade inflation. You need to compare what it is required now against what was required for the same grade X years ago.

    Little is written at the moment, however there is some evidence that the marketedization of universities has resulted in some inflation due to changes in how degrees are delivered.


    That said students now shouldn't be bothered by it. It's still not 'easy' to get a degree.
    needabreak likes this.
  6. drek

    drek Star commenter

    They should know why......
    My school may have reduced marking. But it has introduce some very rigid policies for absolutely everything under the sun in preparation for ofsted......
    This means we are still doing the same overtime hours as we have to provide the evidence for each policy which have impossible deadlines every week.
    The one hour cpd is essentially different leads telling us what deadlines for each one each week are to be met.
    Awful and not to mention unfair to those who may have one or two planning frees a werk and some of the community's most needy, insecure and impoverished students to teach the new inaccessible curriculums to. With unachievable progress targets to aim for.
    Go figure......what do these teachers feel each night?
    No one asks as no one really cares.
    needabreak likes this.
  7. harpplayer

    harpplayer Occasional commenter

    We had something similar where I worked as an NQT. There were endless policies and we were all required to have documented evidence of how we personally met each policy, which obviously meant everyone’s workload was horrendous.

    Why ofsted don’t examine and report on workload at a school it’s inspecting is beyond me. It just shows that all the noise about reducing teacher workload is just that, noise. Teacher recruitment will continue to be problematic. I doubt I will ever work in a UK school again.
    Piscean1 and drek like this.
  8. dreamweaverplusactor

    dreamweaverplusactor New commenter

    Well, they do ask now, but who's going to stick their neck out and say the workload is too much? This is particularly bad in a small school, where teachers who don't toe the line are more easily identifiable (and will probably have brought it up in the past, making it even easier to be targeted).
    Piscean1 likes this.
  9. Crommo

    Crommo New commenter

    Oh, the irony. Governments, for the last 30 years, have been supporting a system that has resulted in people being driven away from the job and have been told that this is the case, but a cross party group can't quite see what the problem is. It's worrying that this scenario may well, or actually is - e.g the NHS, Police, Fire Service being repeated in other areas too, with the same hand washing attitudes.
    catherinedavid and drek like this.
  10. MrMedia

    MrMedia Star commenter

    Interesting that these threads linger. Anyway, should a student not complete their course then the university loses money. It’s a bit like being passed to the cancellation line at your tv provider. Suddenly, all types of things are available.

    We are set retention targets. Is a student not attending class?We have to change that. Is a student struggling with their essays? We have taught essay writing classes separate from courses. Anything that could stop a student from completing, there is something there to support them.

    In terms of their writing and attendance, today's students really impress me with their conscientiousness. But at the same time I’m envious of the technological power they have. PDFs of papers can be downloaded, electronically searched, the referencing exported to refworks and thematically ordered before before you automatically produce your reference list. No one can cheat easily - plagiarism checkers are mixed with live exams to catch people out. Assessments are far far better designed and structured. Every unit has its own website with electronic reading lists, course materials etc. They have an app with a timetable and reminders. Libraries - the libraries are unbelievable. The staff have to have HEA status (a bit like a PGCE). University is so so different to what is was 15 years ago or more.
  11. catherinedavid

    catherinedavid New commenter

    I know we are classed worldwide as a rich country, but can we really afford to spend £1.3 billion on recruiting teachers?!? And moreover WHY do we need to recruit them?! Should they not be queuing up to teach?? Yes! They should, but they are not mainly due to the current workloads they face; the ever burgeoning classes that mushroom year on year; so many kids who lack respect and discipline which comes from the home! How the hell is 3 billion going to solve all these problems?! It will do nothing to retain teachers nor encourage new ones until all those problems are solved for good!
  12. catherinedavid

    catherinedavid New commenter

    Your comment reiterates what I have just said about the teaching profession. Why they are not queuing up to teach today. What has gone so badly wrong that teaching is no longer a desirable profession to work in. We have far more problems in Britain than we think when we have to spend gigantic sums of money on recruiting campaigns when we struggle to give our children a good education. I think the rot set in a few decades back without anybody realising there was a big sea change in life and here we are now reaping what we've seemingly sowed!
  13. catherinedavid

    catherinedavid New commenter

    So what are these myths that OFSTED have claimed to clear up????
  14. catherinedavid

    catherinedavid New commenter

    A cross party group cannot see what the problem is............?!?! Well, there is the problem in a nutshell!!!!
    MarieAnn18 likes this.

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