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Teacher recruitment - lowering the bar?

Discussion in 'Education news' started by Shedman, Jan 30, 2018.

  1. Jolly_Roger1

    Jolly_Roger1 Star commenter

    When I left my last school, in 2012, there were nine people in the science department. Only five had QTS, consisting of three with science degrees and two with degrees in other subjects. Of the other four, one had a science degree, one a degree in computing, and the other two, AFAIK had no background in science or education.
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  2. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    Nick is thick. He too dumbo to get a sense of the problem!
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  3. catbefriender

    catbefriender Lead commenter

    Unfortunately, it's more common than you think. SLTs criticise us older teachers for our lack of the positive 'can do' attitude. They take our stating, 'I will need more preparation or I could perhaps do this in a year/term's time, when I have worked through this key stage thoroughly, or I couldn't really do teaching this to Year 2 A level standard justice' as completely negative.

    Unfortunately, all you need is an uber positive 'can do' attitude when you really can't.
    Last edited: Jan 31, 2018
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  4. BigFrankEM

    BigFrankEM Occasional commenter

    To answer the question:

    Only possible if they dig a trench.
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  5. Alldone

    Alldone Established commenter

    Interesting - when I retired from my school in 2015 there were 11 in the Science department. All had degrees in their subject specialism. Four had PhDs three marked for the exam boards and one of my HOD's was a chief examiner and wrote A level exam questions. Even the Chemistry technician was an ex teacher with a Chemistry degree and the Physics technician had retired from a senior position in the electrical engineering industry (ICE). I came from Industry with only a degree in Chemistry, and was the only one who taught an additional subject outside my degree. (A level Physics). Needless to say, this was an Indie school. So many of the State schools in my area just can't get qualified Science teachers.
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  6. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    An yes, the good old ‘can’t but will lie and say I can’ do attitude!
  7. David Getling

    David Getling Senior commenter

    No! Not can't, won't.

    I currently tutor just A-level: all topics in maths, and chemistry and physics. I don't expect students to tell me what they want in advance as I can teach them anything they want, or do any problems they are having difficultly with, without any advance notice or prep. Most of my students are bright and motivated, and from the supposedly better schools. So you can bet that it's the hardest stuff they usually want help with. But schools would rather chew off their arm than have someone like me. There are definitely some around here who know about me, but instead of knocking on my door they would much rather put someone from Cheap First (fact, not conjecture) in front of their classes.

    Of course, these days I'd probably tell them where to go as I'm happy earning my living from tutoring. But I do wonder how many others out there could do a great job but aren't cheap and subservient enough.
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  8. Jolly_Roger1

    Jolly_Roger1 Star commenter

    @Alldone: State schools do not want to pay qualified science teachers. If they did, I might not be unemployed.
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  9. maggie m

    maggie m Established commenter

    I can not imagine the bar could get much lower. The student teachers we now get from 2 Russell group universities are awful. They have subject knowledge but no common sense and no real interest in teaching. The last one I mentored was also arrogant..."I have a first from Durham" was the response to any advice.
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  10. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    Get over-eager bullying SLTs off their backs who think pandering to what they imagine Ofsted wants is more important that educating pupils.
  11. JL48

    JL48 Star commenter

    Good job the PISA tests only go up to testing 15 year olds . . . .
  12. catbefriender

    catbefriender Lead commenter

  13. pickles124

    pickles124 Established commenter

    You call certain trainee teachers idiots? Really? That's good to know.
  14. JL48

    JL48 Star commenter

    Huh? Where does that come from?

    If anything he says the opposite . . .
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  15. pickles124

    pickles124 Established commenter

    Didn't sound like it to me. I found that remark to be quite offensive.
  16. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    You offered your condolences, I hope.
    Last edited: Feb 4, 2018
  17. aspen_1

    aspen_1 New commenter

    With so many teaching assistants increasingly deployed as teachers in all but name, I think ITT requirements are in effect being bypassed any way.
  18. nomad

    nomad Star commenter

    Having read some of your comments on these forums I would agree.
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  19. drek

    drek Lead commenter

    My department has two unqualified teachers who take the brunt of the bottom sets. Both were told that taking on this subject.... not their degree subject.... would widen their opportunities for promotion.

    In the meantime they top up their salary with tutoring. Top and middle sets have qualified teachers.

    I think the dfe favour this model because this is the third school I’ve taught in that plays fast and lose with bottom sets. But if a qualified teacher is given these groups particularly an experienced one.....a step to getting rid of.......suddenly data becomes all important when it comes to judging performance.....it’s absurd

    Apparently every child mattered only upto C grade....and of course every child matters no more.....it’s premium or send now......
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  20. JL48

    JL48 Star commenter

    Looking at the bits I've highlighted, he seems to specifically say that neither the schools nor the universities take idiots.
    Can you explain it to me, as I genuinely can't see why you would find that comment offensive. Sorry.
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