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Teacher recruitment down by a third

Discussion in 'Education news' started by Shedman, Jan 4, 2018.

  1. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

    It's still pretty secure.
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  2. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    And if you've made the exam content more difficult but made it easier to 'pass,' hey presto, everything's coming up roses.

    The only way out of it for the government is to make teaching more accessible for less qualified people, people who wouldn't normally consider teaching, or just employ unqualified people who need work to deliver standard lesson plans, perhaps not scripted ones yet, but it may happen. The start of this was the removing of ITT from universities and the enabling of its delivery by any old bunch of money-grubbing charlatans in a MAT with a few mates who can be "subject specialists" and you're away. You even get a continual supply of teachers that you've trained. I'm sure there won't be any relaxation of the standards by these MATs when assessing the people they've trained. As if.
    JohnJCazorla likes this.
  3. Jolly_Roger1

    Jolly_Roger1 Star commenter

    Exactly. Any teacher is only one lesson observation away from the dole queue.
    Moony and Shedman like this.
  4. David Getling

    David Getling Senior commenter

    The irony is that most lesson observation has absolutely nothing to do with getting rid of the genuinely bad teachers. Prior to the observation(s) it has already been decided that the teacher should be forced out, either because they are too expensive, or their face doesn't fit. The observation is simply a method of fabricating a trumped up excuse.

    I know of appalling teachers that have been kept on. One scraped through her two years of Teach First and survives simply because she is dirt cheap. Another is well past the normal retirement age and definitely in the early stages of dementia. However he has been at the school forever, and is probably being protected by some of the governors, despite the very real damage this is doing to his pupils. Yet the same school has lost several good teachers who didn't get on with SLT.

    Things like the above were my biggest shock when I moved from industry to teaching. I, like far too many parents, naively assumed that those running schools would put the welfare of their students first. How wrong I was!
    Jolly_Roger1 likes this.
  5. JohnJCazorla

    JohnJCazorla Lead commenter

    CORRECTION: Any teacher is only one lesson observation away from the dole queue.
    should read
    Any teacher is only one lesson observation away from belittling, support (the nasty kind), capability, bullying and then finally the ejection to the dole queue.
  6. Jolly_Roger1

    Jolly_Roger1 Star commenter

    I stand corrected, although I am sure that schools will soon find a way to 'fast track' unwanted, expensive teachers through the steps that separate an LO form the dole queue.
    JohnJCazorla likes this.
  7. Jolly_Roger1

    Jolly_Roger1 Star commenter

    I have lifted this from another thread:

    "Just to add to this, I’m also looking for cover supervisor roles. Part of the job description for one that I have looked at and wanted to apply for had this very clear description of a TEACHER role...

    "Reporting to the Assistant Principal, you will be responsible for the planning and delivery of outstanding lessons ... You will provide timely feedback for students on their work to ensure they are to achieve and realise their targets...”"

    There is one answer to the 'recruitment and retention crisis'. Would anyone think it is worth racking up four years of student debt to do a demanding and exhausting professional job for little above minimum wage?
    Shedman and JohnJCazorla like this.
  8. Lord Snooty

    Lord Snooty Occasional commenter

    Really pleased about this fall in teacher recruitment.
    At some stage...and it’s coming soon, all those Daily Mail, teacher criticising, know it all selfish Tory gits are going to be facing a huge crisis in education.
    Poor liccle Jeremy and Jemima...no teacher in class to teach them Maths and English.
    Mrsmumbles and num3bers like this.
  9. JohnJCazorla

    JohnJCazorla Lead commenter

    Don't agree, the absent teachers are from the bottom end where all the plebs offspring go. If it starts being an issue at the grammar schools then that is what private education is for.

    The Daily Mail isn't for universal education, just education for the Right-Thinking Ones.
  10. Jolly_Roger1

    Jolly_Roger1 Star commenter

    The Govt does not care about educating the masses. There are, and will continue to be, few jobs for them to do, so the intention is to keep them off the streets for as long, and as cheaply, as possible.
    tonymars, Shedman and JohnJCazorla like this.
  11. binaryhex

    binaryhex Lead commenter

    What has been really noticeable in recent years is the rising numbers of teachers who can’t consistently spell correctly in class, can’t write clear English and can’t do very basic sums. These teachers are then unable to correct students’ mistakes or advise them how to improve work. We now use poorer qualified teachers in classes, have lowered the bar for entry, use more supply teachers than ever before and have made it so complicated to find a route into teaching. The result? We are in a vicious circle of declining standards for many students.
  12. David Getling

    David Getling Senior commenter

    Jolly Rodger, how very true your comment is about there being few jobs and keeping the plebs off the street. That's he real reason why those on benefits are made to spend countless hours applying for jobs and proving that they have wasted a very substantial amount of time doing so. While I totally agree that no one who able to work should have the choice of scrounging off the rest of us instead, often the jobs aren't there or the employer's are never going to give a job to the people that are being forced to apply for them.

    With less jobs to go around, the retirement age should have been brought down to 60 for men as well as women, not raised to 67. And, as the government knows damn well, age discrimination is rife. It's illegal, but the government turns a blind eye to it.

    We need to cut the standard working week and make sure all overtime is paid at double time, with no cap on employers' N.I. This would encourage more employment.

    The money for all this is there. It's just a matter of prying it out of the hands of the undeserving, obscenely rich.
  13. manc

    manc New commenter

    Well, l'm 54 so I'll just about qualify. I could do with a refresher course.
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  14. num3bers

    num3bers Occasional commenter

    Interestingly though, at least where I work and colleagues tell me its true of other schools around, Psychology, Business, History, Art, etc. and many of those other non valued by the E Bacc subjects have the highest uptake by students at GCSE and A level. Where I work Psychology and Business recruit the largest groups.

    Modern Foreign Languages, despite the constant pushes for it, fail to recruit more than a handful. The kids simply do not care about the E Bacc. Stem subjects continue to recruit but mainly only Biology has large numbers.

    As for the myth of teacher shortages. I dont think there is a shortage. I think there is a shortage of new recruits ( cheap and cheerful). A shortage in difficult schools as the flight continues to leafy well healed and independents and then of course, older ones are being shoved out because they are too expensive. Where I work we seem to lose older , more able teachers and bring in daffy weaker teachers ( and then SLT claim these obviously poorer teachers are the Bees Knees even though frankly, if you have to teach in a room near them, you know their lessons are mayhem).
    Mrsmumbles, Alice K, lulu57 and 3 others like this.
  15. PeterQuint

    PeterQuint Lead commenter

    Oh dear me, no. It really isn’t.

    I’ve worked ‘in the real world’ In a number of jobs, and I can tell you that, after working somewhere for two years, it’s relatively difficult to get rid of someone who doesn’t deserve to go.

    In teaching, if they want to get rid of a perfectly good teacher, it’s not difficult as long as you’re pateliebt and follow procedure.

    Do it purely on lesson observations. You could take the best lesson ever taught and say it wasn’t up to scratch. Give ‘support’. Say the teacher didn’t listen, or make up something different next time.
  16. schoolsout4summer

    schoolsout4summer Lead commenter

    I completely agree with your above comments.
    However, you have to wonder about alternative viewpoints. Mischievous? Uninformed? Pig-headed? Or just ... ?
  17. JL48

    JL48 Star commenter

    is an ebacc subject
    Which is what is always really meant when people complain about the ebacc.
  18. Oldfashioned

    Oldfashioned Occasional commenter

    Recruitment bod: Hello bright young thing (or mature as was my case) how would you like to take that degree, train to teach and then forget you ever had a social/personal life?

    Graduate: You mean no pub? no gym? no bingeing on boxsets?

    Recruitment bod: Oh gosh no. Marking until bedtime, after school revision classes (kids don't take lessons seriously unless they're after school), meetings every week about new ways of ticking boxes, unruly pupils who know there is no consequence to their actions and a constant stream of observers in your classroom watching your every move and judging you by their own warped view of teaching.

    No I don't understand why nobody wants to teach anymore. Whilst the above conversation would never take place I do believe many prospective teachers speak to those of us stuck here and have that chat in their heads.
    Shedman, Alice K, Moony and 3 others like this.
  19. David Getling

    David Getling Senior commenter

    Peter you could be quoting out of some unofficial SLT handbook:this would be in its top ten tips.

    Of course, the main reason teachers are treated so badly is that most parents in the UK really don't appreciate them or understand what a tremendous difference a good one can make to their child's education (and future). A few days ago I had an enquiry from someone who wanted an A-level maths, chemistry and physics tutor for his daughter. Now I like to think that I'm extremely good at teaching all three of these subjects, and most, if not all, of my students would agree. For the enquiry I mention it's an easy bus ride to get to me, yet when I told the father that 10:00 to 11:30 on Saturdays was already taken he decided to look elsewhere. My point is that, like most parents, he seems to think that teachers with my skill set are ten a penny.

    If parents truly understood how important good teachers are to their children they would be up in arms to defend them against both SLT and government.
    slingshotsally, Shedman, JL48 and 2 others like this.
  20. Jolly_Roger1

    Jolly_Roger1 Star commenter

    The SLT's version of the advice from the 'Art of Coarse Teaching': find the quietest and most well-behaved student in the class and box them around the ears.

    To the unscrupulous observer, lesson criticism can be like Mrs Pugh's tea.

    MR PUGH: "Here's your...nice tea, dear."
    MRS PUGH: "Too much sugar."
    MR PUGH: "You haven't tasted it yet, dear."
    MRS PUGH: "Too much milk, then."
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