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Teacher crisis (again)

Discussion in 'Education news' started by Maths_Shed, Oct 4, 2018.

  1. gainly

    gainly Occasional commenter

    The obvious response would be, "the feeling is mutual".
     
  2. drvs

    drvs Star commenter

  3. David Getling

    David Getling Senior commenter

    Thekillers1, what your chart doesn't show is that in Norway, NZ and Spain, for a negligibly smaller salary, the teachers are far better treated and much happier.
     
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  4. Bobbbs

    Bobbbs Occasional commenter

    Thekillers1, that is definitely misleading. Teacher salaries for 10 year continuous service in Ireland is £43,217. And that is a yearly increase without performance management.
     
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  5. tonymars

    tonymars Occasional commenter

    Free market capitalism.
     
  6. thin_ice

    thin_ice New commenter

    Have a look at the threads that talk about working abroad. Spain comes out very badly but the other two much better.
    I haven’t worked there, so only going on what I read on here.
     
  7. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    So true, full of genuine experience and well expressed. This is exactly why I left. It is a mug’s game now. Observations are largely pointless and, to any teacher (and particularly a marking intensive English teacher) - they are total time wasters. I got fed up of the two faced doublespeak which nearly cost me my life. ***** em. They shouldn’t run schools but they do, I should be reaching, but I’m not, I love teaching but England’s system has made me mistrust and despise schools. Oh dear.
     
  8. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    Well they won’t last and they ain’t gonna find it easy to buy a home either!
     
  9. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    There were, but none as MASSIVE as the septic tank of purrulent toxic waste that Gove carted in AFTER 2010, no. Not on this scale. We have reall6 managed to screw up this school generation and the 35-50 year old teachers unlucky enough to be bullied out. That’s a lot of really disenfranchised, disheartened and shortchanged people.
     
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  10. drvs

    drvs Star commenter

    Building on the rot which was set in more than a decade earlier by 13 years of the Labour government response to Blair's 1997 "Education, Education, Education" speech. The forensic monitoring; the micro-management of state schools by government through policy, inspectorate and LA; the accountability mania; the over-empowerment of parents; the undermining of training; the assessment-is-all attitude and the explosion of bureaucratic busy work ... all well established by the time Balls handed to Gove.

    Did Gove, his successors and the government of the day since 2010 make it worse and spectacularly balls up the curriculum while they were at it? Absolutely. But they didn't switch tracks to do so and it still irks me that politicians will trot out only the section of statistics which suit their point. Or perhaps it irks me that the public lap it up. Education should not be a political tool :mad:
     
    Last edited: Oct 10, 2018
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  11. schoolsout4summer

    schoolsout4summer Lead commenter

    Wow!
     
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  12. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    Thing is, I really hate the Torres. This is from someone with communist and ‘British socialist’ ancestors who had parents who turned away from that as they saw the limits in left wing extremism. Small C conservatism is, to me, a centrist view. Problem is, neither NU LAYBA or the Torres are remotely centrist. And the Gove-Cameron-May system of Conservatism is particularly corrupt, self serving and intent on dismantling the quality of state provided education. They want to screw it all up and keep rebrokering it to the next party dnor. Yes the problems probabky did originate with Labour, but the Torres made this Torres particularly putrid and encrusted it with a glittering myriad of lies, opacity, propaganda and bullying. They took the sharpest business practices from industry and foisted them onto the acting professions. They made teachers accountable but the crooks behind scandals such as Bright Tribe and Perry Beaches are untouchable. They may not have built the actual gibbet but they sure as hell let the lever go. They then franchised the design of the gibbet and sold it on to aspiring hangmen up and down the UK, most of whom had half a gcse between them.
     
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  13. eljefeb90

    eljefeb90 Senior commenter

    Exactly, although Ofsted and league tables started the process. I had been through two Ofsteds before Labour got in in 1997. To be fair, the mood music was different under Blair, salaries increased as did funding. But they introduced performance management and handed far too much power to headteachers. From 2010, there was a step change under Gove. The bullying and oppressive practices of relatively few 'rogue heads ' , became fairly generalised with the use or threat of capability used to sow fear , conformity and increase classroom teachers' workload.
     
  14. David Getling

    David Getling Senior commenter

    I think the post you are referring to are about private Spanish schools.
     
  15. thin_ice

    thin_ice New commenter

    Ah right. Thanks for the clarification.
     
  16. Bobbbs

    Bobbbs Occasional commenter

    And it goes all the way up to £59,677 over 27 years. Hence, why teachers in Ireland, and education in general, tend to be better. More time in the job, better paid, and more holidays. But, apparently, the UK can't figure out that that's how you fix education.
     
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  17. David Getling

    David Getling Senior commenter

    Yes, poor Ireland, which was repressed and downtrodden by the British for so long, really puts this country to shame when it comes to spending money on its people. When I lived there the OAPs had free travel (all over the country), no TV licence fee, and a fuel allowance. Yet rich Britain couldn't afford any of these things. So the disparity of teachers' pay comes as no surprise.

    Of course Britain could afford a lot more if it didn't squander so much of OUR money. All sensible people stopped prefixing Britain with Great a long time ago. So it's way past time to put a stop to the vast amount of money wasted on defense. Also, as the garden bridge episode clearly illustrated, an awful lot of money gets embezzled into the old-boy network.
     
  18. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    Coaching a lad AQA English lit right now. He is trying to do the poetry anthology and his dumbo school refuses to cover more than half, so, seven out of fifteen! Unbelievable. The canny rationale being that the school feelsmit can maximise results by ‘doin* a few key poems really well.’ How reductive. How narrow minded. How set up to fail is my student? I’m filling in the gaps. I have to tell this lad that he should cover more to max his chances of success. His teachers say one thing, I say another. His teachers have either written him off or cannot be arshed. It’s apalling.
     
  19. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    Mind you, I was given a nice jumbo sized bin by my council this week. Holds three more black bags. Go me. Max that council tax value!
     
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  20. David Getling

    David Getling Senior commenter

    If memory serves me right, our money grabbing council wants to start weighing black bins. I guess that people like me, who cut up old kitchen units to fit them in, annoy them intensely.
     
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