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Tayyip Erdogan

Discussion in 'Personal' started by lanokia, Apr 4, 2016.

  1. T0nyGT

    T0nyGT Lead commenter

    I find it strange that people are still putting so much trust in a superstate that openly spends public money funding totalitarian states
  2. grumpydogwoman

    grumpydogwoman Star commenter

    Ah, yes.

    The great 'you scratch my back' quid pro quo tug of war that's taking place between the EU and Turkey. A superb example of horse-trading in the global market though.

    Give me money. Let me join your club.
    Keep the Syrians.
    OK, give me more money or I'll stand on the beach and wave them bye-bye.
  3. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    Cards on the table...

    I'm not anti-Turkey... I studied the Byzantine Empire [arguably Greek as well I know] at university, their history and culture fascinates me... I want to go there on holiday and explore... and I think Turkey would be a valuable member of the EU, in time. I see no reason why a Muslim country can't join the EU. They just need to be richer and more democratic. Just as we said for the East Europeans [and should have said for the Greeks going into the Euro]

    But not under Tayyib [and possibly any successors he puts in place]... under him Turkey is moving away from Europe and emulating the despotisms of the Middle East. It's re-engaging in the very ethnic conflicts that tarnished it's reputation in the 20th century and engaging in repressive activities that shame them as a country.
  4. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    Interesting piece of spin in this BBC report...


    Now it's perfectly possible it was Kurdish militants... a people under concerted assault from the Turkish state... but Turkey has also suffered attacks at the hands of ISIS of late... and yet the BBC makes a speculative statement which completely misses any chance of an ISIS connection.
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  5. artboyusa

    artboyusa Star commenter

    Tarnished? What 'tarnish'? Nothing happened. That's why the documents relating to the thing that didn't happen were destroyed. The photographs are fake. The eyewitness accounts are fake. Those bones could belong to anyone. Total smear on the Turks.That's why the Turks still maintain that the thing that didn't happen didn't happen. Because it didn't. And if you say it did, you'll get death threats. That's how didn't happening the thing that didn't happen isn't.
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  6. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    Took me a moment to get what you did there...
  7. artboyusa

    artboyusa Star commenter

    Did what? I didn't do anything. Nothing happened, I tell you.
  8. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    How much is Tayyib paying you?
  9. artboyusa

    artboyusa Star commenter

    Not enough. Maybe I should go work for the Japanese? There's a lot of things they never did too.
  10. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    Must be a market for rewriting History books in different countries... I should tap into that...
  11. silvaran

    silvaran Occasional commenter

    I don't agree that Britain is a superstate but I agree with you that it spends hundreds of millions of taxpayers pounds to fund corrupt and totalitarian states including Sudan, Somalia, South Sudan, Libya, Somalia, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, north Korea,,,,,,,,

  12. artboyusa

    artboyusa Star commenter

    Winston Smith's job...
  13. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    41 dead... 239 injured ... [odd no mention on TES, lots when it was Paris and Brussels]

    Still, blame falling on ISIS... and rightly so... but blame should also be apportioned to Tayyib, who's government has been supporting ISIS right up until recently [even going to far as to bomb Kurdish groups that were making gains on ISIS]...
  14. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    On that theme

  15. Didactylos4

    Didactylos4 Star commenter

    Whilst I abhor beyond all description the policies and actions of Erdogan, the responsibility for this atrocity lies squarely and only with those who committed it.
  16. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    But not those whose actions have aided and helped them over the last three years? Who funnelled funds and weapons to them? Who attacked groups fighting them? Who let numerous jihadis cross their border to sign up with them?
  17. Didactylos4

    Didactylos4 Star commenter

    Who was responsible for the atrocities across Europe?
    Would you say hat the Govts of those countries were "responsible" because their actions triggered the attacks?

    There are triggers for such terrible things but the responsibility for them lies solely with those who organised and carried them out
  18. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    So supplying weapons, funds and fighters... that isn't 'organising' to you?

    Turkey has materially assisted ISIS...
  19. Didactylos4

    Didactylos4 Star commenter

    The Americans and the Saudis (to name but two) supplied weapons and technical support to the infant Al Quaeda Lan

    Giving help to the enemies of your enemies is always foolish and sometimes criminally dangerous.
  20. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    Indeed... and in my mind are partly incriminated in the actions of that group ... not 100%, I'm not absolving any terrorist of anything... but as I've said, the government of Turkey has given material aid to ISIS...

    Anyway, ISIS has yet to claim responsibility... could be a Kurdish group...

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