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Swearing child

Discussion in 'Teaching assistants' started by sweetTA, Apr 9, 2012.

  1. Hi
    I have recently started a new TA post in quite a difficult school. It's my 6th year as a TA and have worked with many different children in the past. I have concerns about a child in my class (Y1)
    The child has autism and has 1:1 support for half the time. The remaining half of the day he is with me. His communication skills are poor and he has a very short attention span. He is usually worked with out of class but is in class for the start and end of lessons.
    The thing is this boy swears a lot. He uses swear words more than any other words and he picks this up from his family. The word he uses the most is the C*** word and he calls female teachers this and well as B****ES. He calls male teachers BAS****S. 'F -OFF' whenever he is asked to do something.
    Now I am wrong in thinking this child should not be in mainstream school? I am at my wit's end dealing with the constnat swearing and now other children in the class (and school) are going around using the words he uses. It just doesn't seem right or fair on the other kids. Any advice?
  2. hubcap

    hubcap New commenter

    I would talk to your SENCO. The fact that he swears a lot is not a factor for him not being in mainstream school. However, if other children are affected then it is up to the school to speak to his parents to teach him bettter language. The issue that he is calling staff should also be raised. I would tell the SENCO that the other children are picking up the swear words. Perhaps you could make a reward chart for him. Every lesson he does not swear he gets a sticker. When he recieves 10 stickers he gets a prize (new pencil, etc) Constantly remind him hes doing well. Reward the good, ignore the bad.Year 1 is very young, if you can show him the right way constantly, you will influence him.
    Hope this helps!
  3. I agree that something needs to be put in place regarding the swearing and a sticker chart is a possibility but certainly not a prize. I supported a class where there was one boy with swearing issues and he received prizes for getting through the day without swearing and the other children said it was very unfair and complained a lot. These were year 2 children and their argument was that they get through the day without swearing and don't receive a prize. Carry on reminding him of good behaviour but please don't reward him.
  4. Thanks for advice so far
    There has already been a reward system in place since he started in nursery (he was swearing back then as well) - obviously didn't work. It's not only swearing though it's also inappropriate phrases. He says 'open your legs' and other such comments to girls in the class and even to female parents. There's been many complaints from parents over the years so I'm told and it's a very difficult situation. He also has toliet issues and chooses to go on the floor. He smears as well on walls and on himself. I think the swearing has just gotten so much worse recently it's easy to forget all his other issues.
  5. hubcap

    hubcap New commenter

    I would chat to the SENCO. Ask if you can log all incidents for a week. Then give that to the SENCO. As mad as it sounds 'out of sight' really can mean' out of mind'.
  6. Well, if we're talking about consistent swearing, it's gone past the point where you can ignore this behaviour. What you need to do is take a very firm line with him. To support his understanding, write a social story to explain that swearing isn't allowed in school and that the consequence for this will be whatever you plan, probably a 4 minute time-out would be most appropriate for a child of his age. I would also recommend that you create a personal copy of the classroom rules for the child to see and add on there 'we do not use swear words' or your equivalent rule. Then you can be very clear and limit your communication with him and get past the debates. "You're having 4 minutes time-out for breaking our rule and swearing" and then move him to your time-out area and say no more.
  7. I see no reason that a mainstream school cannot continue to provide an education for this child. It's not his fault, it wouldn't be right or fair for him to be removed.
  8. Hi
    Yes, the swearing IS constant. The difficulty is that he does not distinguish between swear words and non-swear words. He doesn't understand why certain words are considered inappropriate at school. He hears swearing all the time at home. When his parents come in to school they themselves swear constantly. They have had a number of children at the school over the years and I know that the HT has spoken to them on many occasions regarding their swearing in school but it continues.
    The thing is that the child doesn't respond well to time out or other sanctions. If he is aware that he has done something wrong he lashes out physically at adults and children.After three years we have been advised not to give him time out or to let him know that he is having time out. - This advice came from an outreach advisor last term. Instead we positively praise but in terms of swearing he does it all the time and so we cannot prasie him for what he says.
  9. There lies your problem, this little boy is in charge. I guarantee that he knows what a swearword is and he is also fully aware that there are no consequences. He has autism, that doesn't make him stupid.
  10. Thanks dc88 this is exactly what the class teacher and I think. He seems to get away with it and we see that he is progressing in other accademic areas so why not socially? Well he seems to be content that he is in charge. We also think the HT is scared of his parents and that's why he was so quick to agree with outreach on how we had to stop time out. (The parents were never happy about time out being a sanction).
  11. I would suggest that you and the teacher share your concerns with the headteacher and request that if those are the criterion he wishes you to follow, that the SENCo constructs a risk assessment management plan (RAMP) for this child. A RAMP is the top level 'IBP' if you like and it's about 5 pages long. If he expects you to ignore the behaviour, you cannot be held responsible for when something major happens.
  12. Definitely needs sanctions in place. This little boy is completely in charge and needs clear boundaries. Yes he needs praise for doing the right thing but if he chooses to do the wrong thing he needs a sanction. It will be hell to start with it needs doing. Does he have a pastoral support plan in place?
  13. snugglepot

    snugglepot Occasional commenter

    I would be more concerned about the phrase used and the smearing.Those are signs of a very disturbed child this sounds to me like there are possibly child protection issues here.
    We had a child that constantly swore who had an unusual syndrome and eventually she stopped but it took a long time.We've had other children too, an ADHD boy and quite a few who hear it all the time at home.I just say 'we don't use those words at school, we find better ones' and eventually it works.You need lots of patience.As for the other children get them on board and explain that he needs help with this perhaps they could be rewarded at the end of the week with a treat.They will soon get on board. It might take years before he stops. Have you considered he might have Tourette's Syndrome? I once worked with a boy who swore all the time.It is very difficult but just keep trying and eventually the drip feeding might work. Have you considered support from the Autistic Society? We have a Autism county worker in this area who we can refer to if we have difficulties and we need help. Perhaps there is one in your county.It is a challenging area to work in. I've worked with several children on the Spectrum.We seem to have quite a few over the years.All have had such different needs.Good Luck.
  14. dozymare1957

    dozymare1957 Occasional commenter

    I can comment from experience from both sides of this story. I have a child with ASD who was disruptive in his first primary school. I wondered if he would actually be able to go to a mainstream secondary school. I moved him to a different primary school where he blossomed. I was extremely grateful that he had been able to attend these schools and he is currently studying a level 3 BTEC at sixth form college and doing very well.
    My younger son, who is now 15, moved to this school at the same time when he was in year 2. There was a boy in the class with ASD and ADHD. His behaviour was violent and his language appalling. Interestingly, the other children did not pick up his language. He was rewarded at the end of the morning and afternoon sessions with up to 15 minutes of free time when he could do whatever he liked. They used a jar of marbles to establish how many minutes he got. I worked as a volunteer in the class for four years and the other kids constantly asked me why he got rewards and they didn't.
    This boy had no communication difficulties. He knew perfectly well how to behave but he also knew that if he was violent towards another child he would be sent home where his mum would let him play violent 18 rated Playstation games.
    The disruptive behaviour of this boy impacted on the education of 31 other children. When they took their SATs in year 6, 14 of them had readers. Two of these were dyslexic but the other 12 including my son were on ILPs as they were very behind where they should have been.
    My point here is that some children with disabilities do well in mainstream school and some benefit from being in a school with smaller classes and specialist staff. If the behaviour of one child is disrupting the education of 30 others, is it right that this child remains in the school? I don't know the answer to this and I don't think we can generalise but it sounds to me that this particular little boy might benefit from being in a different school. I hope everything works out for him.
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  15. ASD by definition is a Social Communication Disorder.
  16. Touche, by the way the National Autism Society website has links to some useful resources to help you manage ASD pupils. I agree though, it's unfair to other pupils and to the boy concerned to allow the situation to continue unchecked, after all how will he achieve his potential if he is using such inappropriate language to deal with his situation / frustrations.
  17. dozymare1957

    dozymare1957 Occasional commenter

    My son has ASD. When he was diagnosed I was told that it was a social skills disorder not a social communication disorder but you may know something that I don't. His is able to communicate well although he finds it difficult to communicate with people he doesn't know. When he was younger he sometimes had problems understanding some things like idioms and puns. His problem is more with social skills and routines rather than communication.
    I work with lots of kids with ASD and they do not all have communication problems.
    This little boy really did understand what was being said to him and what he said. He was quite capable of behaving well if he felt that he'd gain something by doing so. He also knew that he would effectively be rewarded by his parents if he was sent home because they would let him play on his Playstation.
  18. Hi, i am a classroom assistant and previously worked in child protection - the behaviour that you have desrcibed can be symtomatic of abuse and would recommend a consultation with childrens' services, if nothing more than to put your mind at rest. Soiling and smearing and age inappropriate sexualised language can be a cause for concern...
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  19. snugglepot

    snugglepot Occasional commenter

    Thanks shinystars.
  20. This boy's inappropriate behaviour certainly needs dealing with wherever he is schooled, mainstream or not. He indeed sounds very disturbed. I agree with previous posters who have mentioned that he could be displaying signs of abuse and also suggest that a referral is made to raise concerns. It may turn out that there is no abuse but it is, of course, better to be safe than sorry.

    I think he should be given praise when appropriate but not given any special treats that the other children don't receive.
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