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Supply teachers are in demand because of the teacher shortage

Discussion in 'Education news' started by TES_Rosaline, Oct 28, 2015.

  1. TEA2111

    TEA2111 Established commenter

    Although I don't think that it is fair for teachers to be planning for their PPA time, I also think it unreasonable that your HLTAs are not given planning time... In my previous school HLTAs planned and marked for PPA, but in my new school, teachers are expected to plan for HLTAs to cover PPA (grrr)
  2. TEA2111

    TEA2111 Established commenter

    What's the point of PPA if one has to plan for it?
  3. JessicaRabbit1

    JessicaRabbit1 Senior commenter

    Academy here - PPA cover / HLTAs are expected to plan and mark themselves. Some get planning time, some don't; it's a bit of a lottery.
  4. snowyhead

    snowyhead Lead commenter

    What's the point of employing qualified teachers at all, if HLTAs or unqualified teachers, paid at half the salary, can fulfill all of the same tasks?

    I don't condone the practice of using HLTAs instead of qualified teachers especially for regular timetabled PPA. Progress of pupils is the responsibility of qualified teachers, which is why we are given (legitimately or not) performance targets based on pupil progress. It stands to reason then that teachers should take responsibility for planning the lessons to ensure curriculum coverage and the different needs of pupils are met.
  5. Twinklefoottoe

    Twinklefoottoe Senior commenter

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  6. Treefayre2

    Treefayre2 Established commenter

    They tend to do the work of a teacher (often SpLD work) but at a quarter the salary. All have been women that I know of (and all except one have been ex teachers).
  7. TEA2111

    TEA2111 Established commenter

    What about HLTAs planning and teaching R.E. , music, PSHE?
  8. snowyhead

    snowyhead Lead commenter

    No. So many primary schools dish out RE, Music, PSHE and MFL to HLTAs to teach, which gives the impression that these subjects are somehow second rate and don't need a qualified teacher (which might be a specialist peripatetic music or French teacher) to plan and deliver them.

    The arguments for and against using HLTAs to plan and deliver lessons is an old one - since the introduction of the qualification in 2003. Timetabling HLTAs to plan and deliver lessons boils down to one reason: it saves money.

    In my experience very few HLTAs have studied the subjects they are expected to teach beyond GCSE. Not entirely co-incidental then, that when an Ofsted inspection is on the cards HLTAs suddenly find themselves relieved of their timetabled teaching duties.
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  9. vinnie24

    vinnie24 Lead commenter

    Due to staff leaving/forced out there will be a demand. This demand is then filled by the aforementioned teachers who are now supply. No doubt agencies have an abundance of such people.So although there is a need to cover classes it is probably being done by either a TA, HTLA, cover supervisor, 50 quid a day cover supervisor or 0 quid a day work experience. The 80 quid a day supply teacher is no doubt the last cab off the rank. Maybe this is why supply teachers are not exactly rolling in work.
    NQT1986 likes this.
  10. xena-warrior

    xena-warrior Star commenter

    Direction: "Take so-and-so's class till next Tuesday, will you? SoW's online. Assessment task'll need marking. Thanks."
  11. NQT1986

    NQT1986 Occasional commenter

    I totally agree. I have been reading posts from a supply teacher group online-it's a really busy group ad lots of them have had hardly any work since September. The agencies have a huge pool of teachers to choose from and have been phoning teachers suggesting they do supply work for free to get experience and look good to the head teachers (!?) or saying they can only be paid as a cover supervisor.

    The children are short-changed, the supply teachers aren't making a decent living (and most of them are still having to agree to do marking/assessing/parents evening/targets if they are there for more than a few days as there's a huge queue of other supplies who will do it if they don't), the schools are paying out a fortune and the agencies are laughing all the way to the bank!
  12. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

  13. Wonderwoman1

    Wonderwoman1 New commenter

    No, I work in a Local Authority school.
  14. nearmiss

    nearmiss Lead commenter

    Please make sure you lobby your MP to sign up to this Early Day Motion in Parliament.
    Supply activists have campaigned long and hard to get questions about poor agency practice tabled.
    snowyhead likes this.
  15. oldsomeman

    oldsomeman Star commenter

    Although I am retired i still do occasional supply.However in my area of london there has been no offers of work from my agency all term. I ring them and they just say its slow..
    As most of the schools have been forced in to the academy mode i see little work from them. being forthcoming.
    I have been asked to be a TA which i refused.and i used to get a 1/2 day here or there but that dried up. Now they are asking if i want long term supply a good train ride away on the other side of London..I firmly declined as i would have to leave home about 6.30 am and not be home til 7 pm if i stay and mark and asses.
  16. monicabilongame

    monicabilongame Star commenter

    This in an email today. And there is no shortage of teachers?

    Good Morning,
    I hope you had a good break and are refreshed for the half term ahead.
    We currently have a large number of exciting opportunities so I wanted to quickly make you aware them by listing them below.
    If you are interested in any of these roles, or know somebody that would be, please get in touch ASAP!
    Best regards,

    Subject Key Stages Location Start

    Maths 3 & 4 West Surrey ASAP or Jan 2016
    Science 3 & 4 West Surrey Jan 2016
    Design Technology 3 & 4 West Surrey Jan 2016
    Science 3, 4 & pref 5 Croydon Area ASAP or Jan 2016
    Maths 3, 4 & pref 5 Croydon Area ASAP or Jan 2016
    Maths 3, 4 & pref 5 Croydon/Surrey Border ASAP or Jan 2016
    English 3, 4 & pref 5 Croydon/Surrey Border ASAP or Jan 2016
    Science 3, 4 & pref 5 Croydon/Surrey Border ASAP or Jan 2016
    Photography 4 & 5 Croydon/Surrey Border Jan 2016
    Maths 3 & 4 West Surrey Jan 2016
    Motor Vehicle Maintenance 4 & 5 Croydon/Surrey Border Jan 2016
    Business Studies 3, 4 & pref 5 Croydon/Surrey Border ASAP or Jan 2016
    SENCO 3, 4 & 5 Croydon/Surrey Border ASAP or Jan 2016
    Health & Social Care 4 & 5 Croydon/Surrey Border Jan 2016
    Maths 3, 4 & pref 5 South London Jan 2016
    Maths & Psychology 3, 4 & pref 5 South London Feb 2016
    Maths 3, 4 & pref 5 Cambridgeshire Jan 2016
    Maths 3, 4 & pref 5 Luton Area Jan 2016
    Maths 3, 4 & pref 5 Lincolnshire Jan 2016
    Maths - Lead Practitioner 3, 4 & 5 East Midlands/Lincolnshire Jan 2016
    Science 3, 4 & pref 5 Guildford Area Jan 2016
    Science 3, 4 & pref 5 East Herts Jan 2016
    Maths 3, 4 & pref 5 North London Jan 2016
    English 3, 4 & pref 5 East London Jan 2016
    English 3, 4 & pref 5 North London Jan 2016
    English 3, 4 & pref 5 Guildford Area Jan 2016
    Science 3, 4 & pref 5 Dorking Area Jan 2016
    Maths 3, 4 & pref 5 Dorking Area Jan 2016
    Design Technology 3, 4 & pref 5 South London Jan 2016
    Geography 3, 4 & pref 5 South London Jan 2016
    Geography 3, 4 & pref 5 Croydon Area Jan 2016
    History 3, 4 & pref 5 South London Jan 2016
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  17. snowyhead

    snowyhead Lead commenter

    Desperate agency? The 'teacher shortage' deniers will claim they're all fictitious vacancies. We have 58 primary vacancies for January 2016 starts on my LA website. I've never seen that many before.
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  18. les25paul

    les25paul Star commenter

    The problem is that some agencies have been advertising fictitious vacancies for many years now just to generate interest. I've even had them admit this to me in the past.

    So you can understand why many teachers find it hard to believe these are genuine now.

    The teacher shortage has been overplayed as long as I have been teaching (late 90s) it lured me out of Industry only to be told by my PGCE tutors it wasn't true then and a number of PGCE students on my course went back to their previous careers because of this.

    There may or may not be a shortage now but in the words of Mr Townsend "We don't get fooled again".
  19. oldsomeman

    oldsomeman Star commenter

    I have just looked a some of the 131 primary post advertised for London oh here.......one current theme is virtually all carry the key words of Outstanding,ambitious,able to raise levels and a willingness to participate fully in the schools ambitious plans..yeah?.Cant be bothered to be outstanding and at my age why should I? .I was outstanding in my day when i first started teaching as a mature entrant (remember such folk?) rose from joining to HOD in 3 years and was fully involved with the school, etc etc.Then again life was good and staff-rooms where wonderful places of fun and comments,even with its on smoke fog in a few corners .
  20. inthered

    inthered Occasional commenter

    There are vacancies and shortages in Moray council particularly up north... Lots of semi-apocryphal tales of SMT having to cover multiple classes in the Ass Hall at times of illness all over Scotland this year... Moray council offering golden hellos and free housing for 6 months... Only hoop is the GTCS but if you can get through that, itmight be worth a try. We're looking for ML and ICT teachers in my school (Central belt) but nothing out there at all apart from a retired Art guy willing to cover anything, and a very deaf long-retired HE teacher who thinks our kids are lovely as they're so quiet.

    Seriously, teaching all over the UK is in crisis. At what point do we say 'enough!'?
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