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Starting International School Career After NQT Year

Discussion in 'Teaching abroad' started by PhuMyHung, Apr 20, 2019.

  1. PhuMyHung

    PhuMyHung New commenter

    Hi guys,

    I know the standard requirement for most international school jobs is 2 years of experience, but do schools consider applicants who have just completed their probation years/are in the process of completing them? I'll be starting my NQT year in in August and I'd like to start applying for jobs in Asia when the recruitment season begin again. Thanks
  2. february31st

    february31st Established commenter

    For some schools you would be the most qualified and experienced teacher employed at the establishment.

    Plenty of middle range to top schools will employ you based on your qualifications and experience already.
  3. the hippo

    the hippo Lead commenter Community helper

    Hmm. It might help if you teach Physics, of course.
  4. dunnocks

    dunnocks Star commenter

    really, is it as easy to get a job teaching physics abroad as it is in the uk?
  5. PhuMyHung

    PhuMyHung New commenter

    Thanks for the info. I'm happy to start at a low/middle range school for my first position abroad if it's in the right country (somewhere in SE Asia).

    I have ESL experience and a master's in my subject too. Do yo think this will help?
  6. PhuMyHung

    PhuMyHung New commenter

    Unfortunately not - I teach English. How does my subject compare to STEM subjects in terms of demand abroad?
  7. the hippo

    the hippo Lead commenter Community helper

    Well, there are ordinary teachers, mere mortals, and then there are Physics teachers. Whenever the magic "P" word is used, all kinds of weird and wonderful things start to happen. Chemistry teachers are also an educational elite, the creme de la creme, those who are superior to the hoi poloi.
  8. amysdad

    amysdad Established commenter

    ESL probably won't help much unless you're applying for those jobs. Your Masters might help make you more attractive, but (bizarrely) not as attractive as if you had an MEd. Some schools will be OK with you coming out after your NQT year, but some countries (I think China might be one, maybe Indonesia too) have a legal requirement of 2 years experience for visa purposes which can be difficult to get round.
    Mr_Frosty likes this.
  9. nemo.

    nemo. Occasional commenter

    Physics (real one not those fake conversion ones), Chemistry, Maths, DT or CS usually involve interviews where the Principal begs on all fours "please join our school" or words to that effect. Even the best schools find it hard, and often I have spotted the only non western qualified staff member is a physics or chemistry teacher.

    Overseas as well, paper from those few super trendy ones that think subject knowledge is unimportant, prefer real subject specialists and you end up teaching just your subject. None of that teaching biology IGCSE BS as a physics teacher (biology a science? It's stamp collecting really) that you have to do in the UK.

    But best to consolidate your experience first.
    Mr_Frosty likes this.
  10. amysdad

    amysdad Established commenter

    nemo has a good point. I know a lot of NQTs think "OK, got my teaching qualification, let's go see the world!" but what teaching a couple of years at home allows you to do is build up the classroom experience, so when you move abroad you're not floundering in your job while struggling to settle in a new country far from your family. I felt I generally knew what I was doing when I moved abroad, so that allowed me to focus on settling in and not worrying too much about my classroom.
  11. ToK-tastic

    ToK-tastic New commenter

    Couldn't agree with amysdad too strongly, build up your experience in the UK before making the move internationally. In addition to the pedagogical reasons of refining your practice in UK before moving there are also perspective reasons, a few years of experience in the UK will give you a good sense of perspective on your experiences when in international schools. I taught in inner city UK state schools for 12 yrs before moving to international schools. On those days when I'm feeling a bit down or distraught in IS I think back to my UK state school days and suddenly feel rather cheery again. I also watch colleagues who may not have had the privilege of working in the UK (or any other) state sector sometimes getting stressed or upset at things which wouldn't have even blipped on the radar in North London !
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  12. the hippo

    the hippo Lead commenter Community helper

    Yes, Tok-tastic, but when I was teaching back in the UK, I remembered how absolutely awful it was to teach (or try to teach) those dreadful Saudi teenage boys in Jeddah. Then suddenly I felt cheery again! Incidentally, one of my students was a nephew of Osama Bin Laden (the teachers all called him "bin liner").

    Although in theory I would agree with you that it might be a good idea to get plenty of teaching experience in the UK before venturing into foreign parts, I have to say that some young teachers find the experience of teaching in the UK so unpleasant and the environment so stressful that they simply have to get out asap. Is teaching in the UK always a good way to prepare for teaching overseas? I am not entirely convinced that this is the case.
  13. frogusmaximus

    frogusmaximus Occasional commenter

    You have to invest in your career to make it a success.

    I started with supply cover then had short term contracts in the UK. After a solid five years I'd say you are ready. Poor schools will offer you opportunities but the experience could derail your career. Remember you need that reference from the last job to move forward. Where i have worked 2/5 years experience was the minimum set by the Government. My highest paid post and most prestigious, was the last one before i stepped out of the classroom and semi-retired.

    Build your career. I believe in karma and hard work and professionalism will reap rewards. Short cuts can work for some but international teaching is full of very poor teachers who cannot do their job very well and are paid the appropriate salary for that ability.
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