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Start of the end for Renfrewshire council???????????

Discussion in 'Scotland - education news' started by stronghand, Feb 4, 2011.

  1. Ha!

    The cracks are becoming bigger by the day. Time to bury this mob. Let battle commence.
     

  2. "Over the next few months, Renfrewshire Council will continue to engage with parent representatives, education officials, the GTC and representatives from HMIe (Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Education) and UWS, the University of the West of Scotland, to monitor and evaluate the programme.

    "Having UWS and HMIe involved is a major boost for this new approach and shows clearly that we want to put in place a high quality learning programme," said Councillor Cameron.

    All parents and pupils will have experience of the approach before it is fully implemented. Parents will be kept informed through meetings, ongoing evaluation and consultation, and via the council website.

    During the pilot phase, teachers will be available in schools during 2.5 hours worked by the education support staff. That will address parental concerns about new employees coming straight into a classroom environment. This way there will be a transition period for everyone involved.


    HMIe involved? One can hope they will have the scruples to give the pilot the short shrift it deserves.
    Teachers to be available in schools during 2.5 hours? I don't think so. Don't believe there is any legal requirement for that.

    I agree with you stronghand - more power to the parents!


     
  3. readaholic

    readaholic New commenter

    "That’s the real issue here – how to protect frontline services and
    avoid compulsory job losses in the very difficult financial position all
    councils face. It’s surely far better to make changes which deliver
    services in new ways rather than close schools, or increase class sizes –
    options Renfrewshire Council has ruled out over the next year.

    Avoid compulsory job losses? How do they work that out?
     
  4. halfajack

    halfajack Occasional commenter

    I think they mean the teachers who would normally teach the kids during the 2.5 would still be employed during the pilot. So, in all likelihood, it will end up wasting lots of money when it fails and has to be abandoned.
     
  5. Renfrewshire Council just don't want the embarassment of a strike.

    Interesting reading the comments of Cllr Cameron who says that this scheme will give 120 job and 60 new teachers a start:

    "Renfrewshire will be creating around 120 new jobs and we are also set to give 60 new teachers a career start."

    Is the point of this obscene idea not supposed to be to save money. They need to let 60 teachers go in the first place to make the required savings for the new posts to cover NCCT.

    Having 60 jobs on the table for new starts is fantastic news - but this would be at an annual cost to the council of £1.28million. Isn't this the amount they actually intend to save?

    I call it robbing Peter to pay Paul. Or a complete farce.

    Someone, somewhere hasn't quite thought this through.
     
  6. Flyonthewall75

    Flyonthewall75 New commenter

    "During the pilot phase, teachers will be available in schools during 2.5 hours worked by the education support staff. That will address parental concerns about new employees coming straight into a classroom environment. This way there will be a transition period for everyone involved."
    Presumably the teachers who will be available will not be the same teachers as those undertaking NCCT. How many additional teachers will they have to employ?
    Given that the HT / DHTs will also have to be there to oversee and monitor the whole exercise, Renfrewshire's proposals could end up costing a lot more than was originally estimated.
     
  7. I would imagine that there will not be any teachers helping with this as industrial action will have started and a policy of non cooperation will be in place. Teachers and parents cannot let this happen. The implications of this are huge and far reaching.
    East Renfrewshire parents have just fought off an attack on their music services and the coucil has u turned. Renfrewshire can do the same.
     
  8. Dominie

    Dominie New commenter

    Don't be naive. The "teachers" will be the promoted staff in the school and mainly the HT who will have to take responsibility for everything that goes on. There will of course be other teachers taking part in "collegiate" activities and NCCT. Those involved in the latter should leave the school and do their tasks elsewhere. If involved in Collegiate activities, they should refuse to have anything to do with the other nonsense.
     
  9. Have I missed something here? Are the council also pushing for teachers to undertake Collegiate activities during their non-contact time?
     
  10. Flyonthewall75

    Flyonthewall75 New commenter

    No, sorry, that doesn't make sense. They say:
    "This way there will be a transition period for everyone involved."
    If the "teachers" who will be available are in fact the HT / DHT, they already have to be there, in theory, if the school is open to take responsibility for everything that goes on.
    The use of the term "transition period" would therefore be meaningless unless, of course, they envisage the HT / DHT not being in the school after the transition period which is unlikely.
    Mind you, there are a lot of things in the Renfrewshire proposals that seem to have been worked out on the back of a cigarette packet by someone with little experience of primary education.
     
  11. Actually, your not too far off the truth. It has been muted by the esteemed leaders that this set up would be the perfect opportunity for collegiate activities!
    Aye Rite
     
  12. Si N. Tiffick

    Si N. Tiffick Occasional commenter

    Someone from the Renfrewshire parents group and the council are to be on the Politics Show today at 1pm.
     
  13. The Parent Council representative, Stephen Wright, handled it very well. Councillor Derek Mackay (with a face you would just like to punch) insisted that the teaching week "will continue at 22.5 hours". Not only incorrect but a real slap in the face for those 60 McCrone cover teachers who in the councils view it would appear, aren't teaching.
     
  14. Dominie said
    The "teachers" will be the promoted staff in the school and mainly the HT who will have to take responsibility for everything that goes on.

    Thanks for that Dominie. Couldn't see the lies behind the spin language there. It makes sense that they are answering concerns by using more misleading language. HT s were always going to be on the premises.
    Stooshie, you are right. What a smarmy little liar he is. I hope he will be well and truly exposed for all the deceit he seems so comfortable with.
    [​IMG]
     
  15. Anonymous

    Anonymous New commenter

    Somebody needs to put Cllr McKay right on the length of the pupil week - the pupil week is 25 hours a week and those25 hours are currently spent with teachers. I know of several primary schools where non-contact time for all teachers is covered by another permanent member of the school teaching staff (sometimes a non-promoted member of the teaching staff and, in at least one school, by a PT).
    Cllr McKay is either being seriously mis-informed or is being deliberately disingenuous.
     
  16. Whatever it is, it's clear that Renfrewshire council is playing a real smoke and mirrors game with this proposal, and that they are counting on public apathy and ignorance about education to achieve their goal with this. Let's face it, they are clearly going to go all out to make sure that the pilot will be a stunning success and that HMIe will agree, and when you factor in the tendency of the media to muddy issues even further, I have a baaaad feeling that this thing is going to fly.

     
  17. Im hearing you CanuckGirl but after the parent power shown at the labour meeting on Fri 4th parents are not as green as the council would like them to be. T
    he fight hasn't even begun yet and the main difference this time is that both parents and teachers are united in the same cause.
    Get along to the march on the 19th and make it impossible for the media to muddy any waters because the turn out will speak for itself!
     

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