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Staff discount for children of staff

Discussion in 'Independent' started by EBC, Aug 9, 2019.

  1. EBC

    EBC Occasional commenter


    Its good to be back on the forums again, never have time to get into it but this summer I've learnt lots.

    Can I ask, if you know, what the, staff discount, or reduced fees are in your independent school for staff whose children go to the school.

    I believe if can be anywhere between 66%-40%. My school is nowhere near those amounts. I've asked them to reconsider. Im happy at my school, for my child and me, but can't even imagine how ill afford the senior school part on just 20%.

    Any advice on how to bring it up again?
  2. Skeoch

    Skeoch Lead commenter

    50%. No access to further bursaries, though.
    If awarded scholarships in open competition, they get the name of scholar but again no extra discount.

    Two approaches. One is to ask for a bursary - that's a personal arrangement between you and the school, and a one-off.
    The other is to negotiate for the whole staff - would help if you had union recongnition, which is the case in many schools, for collective bargaining. But do consider what impact this would have on the school's finances (which presumably you know about) and work out whether anything is achievable.
  3. EBC

    EBC Occasional commenter

    It would be for the whole school. Currently only two of us.

    No union that I know of.

    I started with the bursary, and I asked him to take it to the governors. Do you think I should try again? Maybe the Headteacher or write directly to governors?
  4. frustum

    frustum Star commenter

    The problem with a generous staff-children reduction is that although it might only be two staff at the moment, that could potentially change and end up being rather costly. I can see why some schools might prefer to have a more modest reduction, perhaps with the option of applying for a means-tested bursary, which would help out those who are the main earner.

    (Presumably favouring an older interview candidate over the one with five young children might officially contravene discrimination rules, but would anyone be able to prove it?)
  5. Boardingmaster

    Boardingmaster New commenter

    Our process is slightly complicated but you can expect roughly an 80% discount as a staff member. We also get quite a substantial allowance to send a child to a different independent school, though this is fully taxed.
  6. snowfairy

    snowfairy New commenter

    I'm joining the private sector in September. My contract states that I can get 50% reduction on fees for up to a maximum of 2 children. Both mine are currently at a state primary which we're happy with but the fee reduction gives us options in the future.

    A letter requesting that you are allowed to apply for a bursary doesn't seem unreasonable. Surely if your application is looked at with the same criteria that any other bursary is considered then you are not getting preferential treatment....... you could argue that its discriminatory to staff if you aren't allowed to apply for a bursary......
  7. caterpillartobutterfly

    caterpillartobutterfly Star commenter

    You believe incorrectly.
    It can be anywhere between 100% and 0%.

    At our school it is nowhere near 40% either.
    needabreak likes this.
  8. EBC

    EBC Occasional commenter

    Yes of course, you're right.

    I just wondered how other schools do it.
  9. drvs

    drvs Star commenter

    What are people's views on the fairness of this benefit to staff who put their children in the school? It seems to me that they have a better package than staff who don't.
    needabreak likes this.
  10. caterpillartobutterfly

    caterpillartobutterfly Star commenter

    Our staff shrug their shoulders and live with it.
    Yes they effectively get something like an extra £2000 a year salary.
    Yes they get to go and watch cricket matches and take their child home straight from there and so miss end of day duty.
    Yes they get time off when their child is ill.
    But then again they have all the hassle of being parents. :D

    Mind you a few who have had daughters have moved on once their child became school age in order to take advantage of discounted fees. (We are all boys.)
  11. EBC

    EBC Occasional commenter

    Hmm, that worked when little one was in my key stage but not anymore! In fact, I think it's harder. Just about get to see a bit of sports day before I have to rush back.

    I think it works both ways, I don't take advantage and my colleagues can see that.
  12. jarndyce

    jarndyce Occasional commenter

    On the one hand, perhaps. On the other hand, at one of my schools the only students who actually had brains were staff children, so I suddenly became all in favour...
  13. EBC

    EBC Occasional commenter

    Ah bless them. I always find that teachers children aren't always the smartest. Mine included! I always think it's because teachers don't really 'push' their children. They know what's important: that ultimately learning comes from a variety of forms, and as long as they are happy and enjoying school, they will learn and achieve at their own pace. My little one never gets special treatment because she's a child of staff.

    Still wouldn't change it though, it's a great school for her.
  14. Morena123

    Morena123 New commenter

    In international schools abroad it is pretty standard for staff children to receive entirely free places. Often to a max of 2 children but not always. At my school this effectively doubles some teachers' salaries if they have 2 kids in the school at around £15k each, as we are not taxed on this. It's a HUGE part of the package.

    Uniform is reasonable at my school but lunches are crazy expensive!

    The opportunity to give my kids this kind of education for free is a significant factor in why I teach abroad (though there are many others!)

    On a separate note, I once worked in admissions for a nice prep school and was appalled that teachers received a 50% discount but not support staff, even those in senior positions. To make this worse, they also docked my wages when I missed 1.5 days when my toddler was in hospital (my husband also took 1.5 days off his job, not at the school, so I certainly wasn't taking the mickey or playing the 'mummy' card...). When I asked if a teacher would also lose pay for taking leave for a sick child, they said no.... Needless to say, I didn't last long there!

    I know that is a separate thread entirely but now that I am teaching again I find myself fighting the corner of support staff who receive very different benefits from those offered to teachers, despite being essential to the running of the school.
  15. EBC

    EBC Occasional commenter

    Interesting. In my school everyone gets the same discount, caretaker, office, support and teachers.
  16. sid1913

    sid1913 New commenter

    I am considering moving back to the UK from SE Asia where you get up to 2 or 3 free child places and a huge housing allowance which covers our 5 bedroom house easily.

    I don't particularly want to move back to the UK and it's solely for familial reasons, at least for a while, where can I find information on what packages independent schools offer.

    This may sound like a money-eccentric post but what I want to avoid is applying for a school only to be told I'd have to pay 60/70% school fees for my daughter of which I just can't afford.
  17. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    There's no central database of such information of which I am aware. You just have to read the information pack on individual job offers to see what might be available. Don't expect anything as generous as what is available in SE Asia.
  18. ViolaClef

    ViolaClef Lead commenter

    Absolutely. I’ve known of teachers who deliberately chose to teach in the Far East because it meant their children would receive an independent education which they would have struggled to afford in Britain.

    The discount in Britain is often not very generous, especially if you are in a smaller school. Be warned!
  19. caterpillartobutterfly

    caterpillartobutterfly Star commenter

    I can't imagine there are many who would offer you much more than 30-40% discount.
  20. sid1913

    sid1913 New commenter

    Looks like I'll be staying away from the UK then. I just don't get how anyone can afford it then. 2 children means you're effectively paying for a whole child's tuition which is ludicrous on a teacher's salary, even if it is slightly higher than the state sector.

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