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Discussion in 'Primary' started by Princec, Mar 25, 2016.

  1. Princec

    Princec New commenter

    How are you all finding the Spag test?
  2. hhhh

    hhhh Star commenter

    Neeaad moiiire bolognese. Seriously, which illiterate wrote them?
  3. thehawk

    thehawk Occasional commenter

    I ate my ice cream before I had my dinner. (Is before a conjunction? Both sides are clauses.)
    I ate my ice cream before dinner. (Is before a preposition, as "dinner" is not a clause, or is it just a sentence with the subject and verb ellipted?)

    Is before used in different ways in those two examples?
  4. CarrieV

    CarrieV Lead commenter

    1) If the sentence has two clauses joined by before, then before is a conjunction as it joins the two clauses together ( Ali locked the door-before he left) ,
    2) it's a preposition when used before a noun ( we moved before teatime)
    3) It's an adverb when used without the noun ( I'd been there once before).

    So in your two sentences, it's a conjunction in the first and a preposition in the second!
  5. thehawk

    thehawk Occasional commenter

    Yes, but my point is that it is the same sentence, with just a couple of words ellipted. Yet the rules of grammar that describe it change. Very confusing for ten and eleven year olds.
  6. wordclass

    wordclass New commenter

    That would be an excellent example to share with Y6 pupils.

    before I ate my dinner [contains main verb --> clause --> conjunction]
    before dinner [no verb --> phrase --> preposition]

    I am using lots of examples like these. The pupils understand it.
  7. caterpillartobutterfly

    caterpillartobutterfly Star commenter

    Blinkin heck!
    Glad I don't teach year 6 English any more.

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