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So, you don't think you will ever have an allegation made against you, eh?

Discussion in 'Thinking of teaching' started by binaryhex, Jul 3, 2017.

  1. Shedman

    Shedman Star commenter

    Better still, the unions should have funds set up to pay for teachers to sue those who make false allegations against them. Such false accusers should them have a 'warning label' attached to them or their names kept on a register to which authorised teachers have access to so that teachers can be aware of who they are dealing with, a bit like the sex offenders register, it is the false accuser's register and prospective colleges or employers can access it like the DBS register.
  2. pepper5

    pepper5 Star commenter

    What happened to Mr Harris is horrible. He lost his job and is now living in a bedit. I am not sure what happened to his wife/partner, but he has a baby daughter.

    He is going to need a lot of help to get back on his feet. The mental trauma must be horrendous - but the accusers have no one to answer to. It is frightening because what happened to him could happen to anyone.
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  3. HelenREMfan

    HelenREMfan Star commenter

    When a HoY I was made aware of a new pupil coming in to the school from another in the borough. This new pupil had made allegations regarding a member of staff at the previous school. I was told not to tell staff about this.
    Now I recognise that a pupil ought to be entitled to a "fresh start" BUT we are not on an even playing field here as others have already mentioned. "No smoke without fire" alas applies to teachers. I fully believe that instances as I mentioned above should not be cloaked in secrecy and that staff should have been made well aware about such a pupil.
    * an informative cough made here
    Vindication later as the pupil was permanently excluded for hitting another in an unprovoked incident. Alas not before they had done some damage as one of my year group was sent to a young offenders' institution from a guilt by association situation which came from associating with the excluded one out of school. I had to fax all GCSE papers to the YO place and got quite chummy with the officer in charge there !

    All too often we as teachers are totally unprotected - increasingly so by ineffective, cowardly "leadership teams" whose strengths lie in criticising people whilst making bloody well sure they are never put under scrutiny; hiding in offices when real work has to be done and failing to back staff trying to follow on policies that they have instigated. I was once harangued outside said offices by 2 parents on a rant (in front of their 2 daughters) for close on 20 minutes as I was alas still in school when the office phoned through to say they were in reception. Despite all my efforts to be pleasant and professional the 2 mothers ranted on about something that had happened during last lesson. At no stage did the 2 pupils interrupt their mothers to let them know that neither of them had actually been in my group and that the whole tirade was incorrect and unnecessary
  4. binaryhex

    binaryhex Lead commenter

  5. Shedman

    Shedman Star commenter

    It says that suspension should not be the default position of an employer but let's face it, unless you're very lucky a malicious accusation against a teacher probably means the end of their teaching career regardless of how ludicrous and patently false it may be.
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  6. Shedman

    Shedman Star commenter

  7. pepper5

    pepper5 Star commenter

    Thank you for posting this. Every teacher needs to be aware of this and teacher training providers need to ensure they talk to their trainees about this issue.
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  8. binaryhex

    binaryhex Lead commenter

    What a shocker. Potential trainees need to sit up and take note - this does not just happen to other people. You could be next and it could destroy your entire career and even your life.
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  9. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    This is terrible but not unfamiliar. The irony is that some schools DO have dodgy teachers, perhaps moving in from former schools where inappropriate behaviour has taken place...and they get away with it. Tracking the real threats is inept in this country. And corporate schools with all their press officers and legal teams are ever so good at covering up histories of undesirable staff. The whole staffing and recruitment of quality teachers has been ripped out of kilter. We even have MAT heads bonking in their specially designed offices now, for crying out loud.oh, and embezzling the odd forty grand here and there. I'm sure it has gotten far worse in the last few years. But as usual, the good teachers are unfairly victimised and the truly insidious cynical ones get away with it.
    Alice K and pepper5 like this.
  10. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    You've just described my former school! I feel for you, it's so utterly unfair. Bullying and lying was widespread and yet the dump got a special Putstanding award. It's as if 'outstanding' means 'ooh goody, my kids will get good grades here' to parents, 'easy to maintain results' tomprospective new heads, and 'do not touch this school with a barge pole' to prospective teachers. Which of course means that, lrettybsoon, it ain't gonna stay an Outstanding school. Dumbass middle class kids and parents are literally slicing off not just their noses to spite their faces, but whole body parts. Just because you're a parent or a student. You shouldn't think your consumer rights trump EVERYTHING else. You should accept that You Might Have Got It Totally Wrong. But they don't. This sort of bitchiness and bullying is endemic in schools, arguably even worse amongst middle class Boden-wearing bimbos who think that teachers arectheir social inferior and don't know is much as they do. Kids lie. Fact. It's all about the kids now, nothing about retaining or respecting good staff. Fine. But when the best teachers and doctors have all cleared out abroad and retrained, this country will be stuffed. We are becoming a divided country of moaners, litigious complainants and bullies, wallowing in the mire of level 4 underachievement, blaming everyone but those responsible. Accountability sucks.
  11. blueskydreaming

    blueskydreaming Lead commenter

    You know what, I'm abroad now, and have told some of my new American and Australian colleagues some of my tales about teaching in the UK, and they are all shocked when I tell them that in the UK the teacher is accountable for everything - behaviour, attendance, progress... I asked one new colleague if I was going to be held accountable for a certain student failing her GCSE (as she's not responding to me), and she was completely puzzled by the question! Another teacher said to me 'but how is it your fault if a kid doesn't get the grade they should?' The same teacher told me that in the US they do not put up with random complaints from kids and parents. Why have we become like this in the UK? Why do we put up with it? Schools need to take a stand and tell kids to take responsibility for themselves, their behaviour and and their learning.
  12. pepper5

    pepper5 Star commenter

    Hi blueskydreaming

    You had to take an extreme step of moving abroad to teach and many people have done it and more are thinking of it because of the poor working conditions in UK schools. As the story in the above link illustrates so clearly, it is dangerous to work in a UK schools since anyone at anytime is at risk of having false allegations made against them. As in the story above, it can come from absolutely out of nowhere. Everyone in a school is a target - even the TAs and other support staff.

    There are not enough leaders to turn back the tide of the poor behaviour in schools. The Government have tried, but there are not enough strong leaders to go around.

    The conditions in some UK schools are only going to get worse because class sizes are growing which places further stress on teachers because schools claim "their budgets are being tightened". They claim they don't have enough money to pay extra staff ; perhaps if the principals 'salaries were reduced there would be enough money for extra teachers.

    The Government has extra money for schools; but the problem is that they squander it.
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  13. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    Good to hear about the American approach...I had thought that they were quite pushy as well, so a relief to read this.
  14. BW12345

    BW12345 Star commenter

    Which of you would vote for high resolution video cameras to be routinely fitted in all areas including classrooms?
    I would.

    Whom do you distrust more?
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  15. binaryhex

    binaryhex Lead commenter

    Even when you try to do the right thing, there will be people out there who will want to crucify you. Do you have the mental strength to fight the allegations, to have your career picked over by newspapers and local TV, to have your friends and family interviewed, to have millions of people judge you, to have millions of people see your photograph in the papers ..........

  16. pepper5

    pepper5 Star commenter

    Hi binaryhex

    Thanks for posting this article. It is interesting that the comments on the article support the teacher. I read through some of them and not one poster thought he had done anything wrong.
  17. drvs

    drvs Star commenter

    Wow. It's been years since I was in a primary school where the classroom windows opened anything more than 3 inches and that's in mainstream - amazing that an EBD school would have windows which open wide enough for a child to eject himself from them. Silly Billies.

    On a more serious note, he should be restraint trained in that setting and he should be able to control his own responses. If his colleagues say he was over the top then it's hard to argue in his favour from our armchairs isn't it? Teachers do make mistakes on occasion.
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  18. Shedman

    Shedman Star commenter

    This is the standard of evidence that could be used against you to end your teaching career - the opinion of a 'colleague'!

    Another teacher, John Seaward, said he heard Mr Dursley shouting loudly like 'someone had been hurt or property had been damaged'.

    When he went into the classroom he saw the teacher 'escort' pupil A out 'quite briskly'.

    He also said he felt the teacher 'may have used an excessive amount of force'.

    You could be hung out to dry for the slightest misdemeanour - it will always be you who gets punished regardless of the fact that you have only been acting in the student's best interest or even if they have made outrageously false and blatantly untrue allegations. Anyone who enters teaching must expect this to happen at some stage in their career, perhaps many times.
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    Shedman Star commenter

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