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Discussion in 'Personal' started by dumpty, Dec 13, 2018.
Because it is hugely complicated in practice.
As we are all seeing.
Day after day.
Deciding what to do next is hugely complicated. Leaving the EU is not. It is so uncomplicated that all the government has to do is NOTHING and we will leave on 29th March.
You think you are so clever and yet you come across as so stupid with your childish videos.
Can you really not see the difference between leaving the EU and deciding our future relationship with the EU? There are even two totally different agreements to help you understand. One to conclude now, one to be considered in the future.
There are all sorts of possible future arrangements, which are the things you are finding complicated. The process of leaving, on the other hand, is relatively simple. It is a binary choice. Either do it or don't.
Even though they a;ready ARE treated differently in a number of areas, e.g. abortion.
GIFs fella, not videos.
I told you it was a daft idea.
Don't take it out on me.
The notion of democracy is as fluid as a day's long. Back in the days when democracy was invented, it dealt with questions like "Ere look, all those blokes in the next village have gone to war, everyone who thinks we could nip over there, steal their women and food stocks say aye."
They claim we live in a democratic nation, and if you believe we do, @dumpty, perhaps you'd like to explain how in a democracy, Thatcher was able to get into power and ruin the nation with a pathetic 40% of the vote. 60% of the electorate made it absolutely clear enough, that they didn't want her running the country, yet we still ended up being ruled by the mad cow.
When you can come back with a definition of democracy that everyone understands as being fair all round, I'm open to be convinced that democracy might be a good idea.
At this moment in time, having suffered the misery of the Thatcher years, I'll need a better definition of what passes for democracy than you imagine it might be.
We are a representative democracy.
Representative of exactly what? What Joe public wants or what powerful business interests want?
Doesn't matter if they sell it or not- is it a Customs Union or not?
That's what we were talking about- not how good it is or isn't.
And how exactly do you come to that conclusion?
I made them, but unfortunately many of those I argued with had another agenda which usually only came out after their rational arguments failed- usually it involved foreigners taking things like houses, jobs, NHS treatment, benefits...
True, by the same token if you plug in an electric toaster then wee on it you might develop super powers- No-one knows how it will develop- are you willing to give that a shot too?
I too would love to see JRM put in a position where he could fail.
I thought it was pretty obvious- three: May's deal, WTO or Remain.
not sure if you meant "what" or "that" there?
Yes - big numbers do confuse a lot of people. £350 million is so big that it confused the Leave campaign - since they couldn't tell the difference between that and the amount that we do actually send. Now all we need to do is work out the cost of replicating the bureaucracy that we'd outsourced to the EU, and the amount lost in tax revenues and the costs of turning Kent into a car park - trouble is that's going to be 3 big numbers- could be really difficult that one.
Welll if it does turn out bad- how do we know you'll actually muck in and help clear up your mess? You've been an economic migrant before, if things get a bit tough, how do we know you won't bail out again?
Labour want Brexit over before the GE so that they don't get blamed for it- this is going to make 2008 look tame.
Even with the backstop we'll have left the EU won't we?
You should be worried that all these people are trying to stop us leaving the EU for some technical detail about a backstop.
simple then- I assume you'll be offering to take the hit when the Treasury is trying to balance the books?
Do you think having to pay duty on some items is a good reason for violence?
Representative of what? MPs do not put forth the views of their constituents, they follow the party line. Our "democracy" is neither a true one, nor representative. And the "referendum" was neither, it was "indicative" and as such a snapshot of the moment, bullied and misled by your lot with self interest at heart (which is what is still driving it).
What I think doesn't matter. I'm not a signatory to the Good Friday Agreement....
But for those who were, there can't be a hard border:
That's a wind up post isn't it?
Some sober reflections here:
What defines England in the age of Brexit? Its self-pity
English writers once described the world. Now it’s easier for outsiders to see what has led the country into its current chaos
Representative democracy is not about putting forth the views of constituents
Worth a read
The UK’s former representative to the EU, Sir Ivan Rogers spoke at the invitation of the University of Liverpool’s Heseltine Institute for Public Policy, Practice and Place.
Here is the full transcript:
Its not democracy then is it. Ask Vlad.