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So much has changed,

Discussion in 'Personal' started by lexus300, Oct 20, 2015.

  1. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    ‘Until August 1914 a sensible, law-abiding Englishman could pass through life and hardly notice the existence of the state, beyond the post office and the policeman. He could live where he liked and as he liked…

    Broadly speaking, the state acted only to help those who could not help themselves. It left the adult citizen alone.’


    • J. P. Taylor, English History 1914 – 1945
     
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  2. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    Rings true for me.

    The 'State' IMO should only be there for those in need.

    Otherwise it should be invisible. I think that makes me left-wing libertarian [yes there is such a thing!]
     
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  3. HelenREMfan

    HelenREMfan Star commenter

    Englishman of course.....
     
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  4. Lascarina

    Lascarina Star commenter

    Have you see the new film Suffragette, Helen? Quite a lot of state intervention there.
     
  5. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    Ah a good point @HelenREMfan

    Didn't apply to the women... yet. And of course in August 1914 the Englishmen would start dying in their thousands in service to the State.
     
  6. grumpydogwoman

    grumpydogwoman Star commenter

    Yes, the wealthy adult male could oppress whomsoever he felt like oppressing.
     
  7. Rhoswen77

    Rhoswen77 Established commenter

    The historian who wrote that book was the great A. J. P. Taylor.
     
  8. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    OH Dear, must we digress into sex discrimination (or other types)? What happened regarding that, then, does not happen now and that is good.
    I do think many of the values then were good, pride in your nationality and your industries, the ability and courage to stand up to german aggression (or from anyone else), when even the USA was unable to until much later. We had the empire (with all its faults) and we pulled together as a nation/empire. There were many good things which we ignore today on the false premise of freedom and equality which no longer exists other than through how much money you have.
     
  9. grumpydogwoman

    grumpydogwoman Star commenter

    Must we? Yes, we must.

    In my opinion we learn nothing from history except the infinite variety of men’s behaviour. We study it, as we listen to music or read poetry, for pleasure, not for instruction. AJP T

    Yes, things have changed. For better and for worse. Such is the nature of life.
     
  10. BobbyPhilips

    BobbyPhilips Established commenter

    Money mattered more then than now and many men did not have the vote until 1918.
     
  11. racroesus

    racroesus Star commenter

    Englishman of course...
     
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  12. racroesus

    racroesus Star commenter

    But not alone.
     
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  13. Rhoswen77

    Rhoswen77 Established commenter

    Little Englanders are still blinkered even in the 21st C. Not a lot changes...
     
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  14. Rhoswen77

    Rhoswen77 Established commenter

    I hope Lanokia doesn't teach History.
     
  15. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    And which bit did I get historically wrong?
     
  16. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    An English Man or Woman does not need to change who they are, who they have been and who they will be. Until, that is, the EU wrestles all our nationhood away from us.
     
  17. WaylonWu

    WaylonWu Established commenter

    That's very true. We're a lot poorer for the changes.
     
  18. WaylonWu

    WaylonWu Established commenter

    Applying today's values to times past. Never a good idea.
     
  19. WaylonWu

    WaylonWu Established commenter

    That's also very true. It's highly unlikely people today people would be able to defend themselves and their culture in such a way. They are actively discouraged from doing so. Deliberately, legally and ideologically. False premises indeed. You could equally have titled this thread So Much Have We Lost.
     
  20. grumpydogwoman

    grumpydogwoman Star commenter

    Oh, well. I'm voting against membership of the EU.

    Take pork pies! Not MY pork pie though. Get your own.


    Now I love an authentic pork pie but caveat emptor should apply. The idea that we spend billions on the EU for them to adjudicate on what pastry-product may label itself as genuine Melton Mowbray is obscene.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melton_Mowbray_Pork_Pie_Association
     

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