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so many young teachers at intl schools?

Discussion in 'Teaching overseas' started by rod901, Aug 23, 2017.

  1. rod901

    rod901 New commenter

    Why are there so many young teachers at international schools? And why so many local teaching staff when it is supposed to be an intl school?
     
  2. rosiecg

    rosiecg Occasional commenter

    Each school will be different, but younger teachers tend to be cheaper for a start...... As for the number of local staff, that depends on the type of school. Some are true international schools, with an international staff, international pupils and international curriculum, whereas others follow an international curriculum and that is all.

    It's well worth researching the school properly before applying if you think you might have a problem with working in a more local environment.
     
  3. the hippo

    the hippo Established commenter Community helper

    As regular readers of my ramblings will be aware, some of the more dubious "international" schools do indeed make a habit of employing lots of younger teachers and even NQs. As well as being cheaper, young teachers probably do not have any previous experience of international education and so they have nothing to compare things with.

    Of course, it is usually cheaper to employ locals.
     
  4. 576

    576 Occasional commenter

    Why not have local staff? Some of the children will be local.
    Regarding age, I think it's easier to drop everything and go teach overseas when you're young and don't yet have a mortgage, spouse or children.
     
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  5. ejclibrarian

    ejclibrarian Established commenter Community helper

    We have some fantastic local teachers. The salary at our school is the same whether you're an international hire or local hire teacher.
     
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  6. gulfgolf

    gulfgolf Established commenter

    Surely "international" includes a range of many countries, including the host country. And I find the OP's unspoken premise rather odd, as it seems to be suggesting that local teachers are somehow lesser than other nationalities.
    As for young teachers, any good school wants a good handful of the young set. A mix of ages on staff is best for a school.
     
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  7. blueskydreaming

    blueskydreaming Lead commenter

    The OP is just trying to justify his inability to secure a job at an international school.

    It's easier to blame young teachers and locals rather than face the reality that no one is going to employ a music teacher to teach English iGCSE, even with a (shady) background in teaching EFL and (fake) references from friends and internet acquaintances, as well as the obvious multiple personality disorder.
     
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  8. Helen-Back

    Helen-Back Occasional commenter

    My school hires a lot of families, many with one teaching parent. Families stick around a long time. We also hire young singles, generally with experience, but most only hang around for a couple of years due to the location. Its bit of a sleepy location near the beach. Not much nightlife except for a few bars. Great for families, not great for meeting people (bit of a goldfish bowl).

    We have teachers from all the English speaking countries plus filipinos and a few locals.
     
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  9. tigi

    tigi Occasional commenter

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  10. miketribe

    miketribe Occasional commenter

    I'm 68 and am not the oldest teacher at my school... And some of the "local hire" teachers here are excellent and some of the foreign hires have been a waste of space... Like the one who left after two months because he said he couldn't work in a school "full of gays" except that he used another word...
     
  11. sicalifornia

    sicalifornia New commenter

    It's much easier to up your things and go when you are younger, I guess.
     
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  12. makhnovite

    makhnovite New commenter

    The Hippo has it about right; they are cheap and easier to control.
     
  13. Mainwaring

    Mainwaring Occasional commenter

    What a lot of assumptions and generalisations. Even in the UK the old Burnham-style salary scales are a thing of the distant past, so 'young' need not necessarily equate with 'cheap'. Are there any cheap Physics teachers? With vivid memories of some of the young firebrands I've met on the circuit the 'easier to control' bit also makes me smile.

    As several colleagues have already pointed out, 'international' also includes 'local', and where good host-country staff can be found it's daft to appoint only expats, especially if some of the imports turn out to be of inferior quality. India, for instance, produces some of the best Maths teachers on the planet and flying in somebody from Wigan to teach sums to kiddies in Delhi is just asking for trouble.
     
  14. the hippo

    the hippo Established commenter Community helper

    As usual, some wise words from the Captain, aka the Sage of Walmington-On-Sea.

    Fans of that splendid old play Unman, Wittering and Zigo will recall that the local betting shop is called "the Burnham Scale's best friend".

    No, there are no cheap Physics teachers and often no expensive Physics teachers either.
     
  15. rod901

    rod901 New commenter

    BSD a) wrong
    b) wrong
    c) IGCSE English IS glorified ESL.
     
  16. lottee1000

    lottee1000 Occasional commenter

    IGCSE English is certainly not EFL. Maybe you could say 2nd language is, but not 1st.
     
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  17. february31st

    february31st Occasional commenter

    So many young school teachers have 50k GBP of student loan and credit card debt. They cant afford to live and work in the UK and buy a house.

    Who with a sound mind wants to teach in the UK.
     
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  18. blueskydreaming

    blueskydreaming Lead commenter

    That's another reason you won't be offered the jobs you're going for - you don't even know what the iGCSE entails.
     
  19. rod901

    rod901 New commenter

    Correct!
     
  20. rod901

    rod901 New commenter

    Yes because the students pay $20k USD for private education and so one would expect that they expect expat teachers to teach them not chinese teaching assistants who have just graduated from college and they also expect expat staff to teach the subject that they are qualified to teach not chinese assistants to teach certain subjects, Assistants are assistants not teachers. Also there are plenty of public schools with local teachers which cost nothing to attend.
     

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