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So, how many is it really?

Discussion in 'Personal' started by Vladimir, Mar 12, 2016.

  1. Vladimir

    Vladimir Senior commenter

    You can talk about the economy, jobs, education or whatever, but what Brexit is really about is uncontrolled migration and the negative effects of it, as the man/woman in the street sees it. No-one wants to say it, so I will. And I have done. Why won't HMRC tell us the facts? That, in itself, smacks of a deliberate cover-up.


    We know that the reprehensible Mr Blair let in thousands without telling us, and I suspect Brown followed suit, so how many are there?

    Last edited: Mar 12, 2016
  2. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    Would it help much if they did? Insurance numbers are not a reliable guide to immigration because they don't distinguish immigrants from foreign nationals staying for a short time and needing an NI number because they are e.g. students expecting to work part-time to fund their studies or foreign workers testing the water for a few months to see if they like the UK. There’s nothing to stop someone coming to the UK, getting an NI number, and leaving before a year is up. Equally, someone could have arrived in the UK years ago, but are only now applying for an NI number.

    Immigration estimates (and that's all they are) are deduced from passenger surveys at ports and airports. The only way to distinguish tourists from immigrants is by asking people how long they intend to stay in the UK. The estimate of 257,000 immigrants from the rest of the EU is based on a survey of just a few thousand EU nationals who say they intend to stay here for at least a year - but there's no way of telling whether they do or not. And there's no way of telling if those who say they're here for a holiday end up staying long term.

    The ONS is due to publish a report in May, which may propose a way of gathering more accurate statistics.
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  3. jacob

    jacob Lead commenter

    Oh how those ****** love to wail.
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  4. sabrinakat

    sabrinakat Star commenter

    If you are using the issuing of National Insurance Numbers as an indicator of migration (not that I agree with that, as @florian gassmann points out) - isn't it an indicator of an intention to work legally, pay taxes and contribute to the UK?

    Or are you talking about illegals getting NIN, working and not paying taxes? The onus is on the employer to prove all employees are here legally and therefore, usage of any data about the issuing NIN to further an argument about unbridled migration is dubious at best, misleading and wrong at its worst.

    Lots of new NIN - legal workers
    Illegal workers? Most don't have a NIN (unless overstayers, refused asylum, etc) ....

    The Daily fail.......sigh
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  5. Didactylos4

    Didactylos4 Star commenter

    In your opinion
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