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so have we actually run out of teachers? and what happens now?

Discussion in 'Education news' started by dunnocks, Feb 2, 2018.

  1. applecrumblebumble

    applecrumblebumble Lead commenter

    I remember someone on another thread describing it as the young, inexperienced pilots in WW 1, ‘Aces high’ who flew and got shot down relatively quickly. Yes we are running out of young well trained staff, who are cheap. Too many schools chasing the same cannon fodder and too few schools willing to employ experienced older teachers. Not enough work available in supply to make real living at it and unscrupulous agencies taking too much of a cut.
    Using your analogy johnjcazoria, yes we have reached the tipping point and like global warming there is an unwillingness to change things in education. Assuming we do not reach a catastrophic situation someone eventually is going have take the lead and put education back on the right track. We cannot have a generation of benefits street, the country cannot afford this to happen.
    If this happens then we truly have become a third world country.
  2. Moony

    Moony Lead commenter

    Well tough ****, they should have been paying attention ion.
  3. JL48

    JL48 Star commenter

    I never understand these kind of comments. I barely saw the inside of a lecture theatre when I did my PGCE, and spent the vast majority (about 2/3rds) of my time on placement in schools.
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  4. Pomza

    Pomza Star commenter

    When vacancies occur, it can sometimes be hard to find candidates of a sufficiently high quality, but we're always fully staffed.

    People tend to quite like working in our schools. They get properly paid and they don't have to do all the rubbish you hear about on here...
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  5. JL48

    JL48 Star commenter

    Which ones are those?
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  6. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    I’d say option 2 was pretty widespread. I will never take a permanent job in an academy, in the same way that I won’t do an cultural exchange holiday with Kim Jong Un or offer literacy lessons to Piers Morgan.
  7. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    Yep. Bunch of weirdos, most schools, plus the longer you work as a full time teacher, the worse your masochism becomes.
  8. dleaf12

    dleaf12 Lead commenter

    Totally agree @Shedman, back when I was teaching I also loved the slightly stunned look on their faces when they heard my reply to "When will the revision catch-up sessions be?" ..... "Right here, Right now! This lesson is IT! Listen and learn it the first time." - and I always refused to run any "after school" or formal sessions. But my lab door was always open break times and lunch times. Surprising how many of those same students preferred to spend that time with their peers out in the yard.

    Yes we seem to be running put of teachers and schools seem to be running out of money. What will happen? - Nothing until this government is voted out, then.... well I'm not hopeful. Meantime class sizes will go up and up and some academy chains will want to re-broker some schools and the deckchairs will get re-arranged yet again...
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  9. Shedman

    Shedman Star commenter

    Try buying a solicitor for £100 an hour! About £300 is the going rate. Offer a mechanic £10 an hour to work on your car and they'd laugh at you. Teachers have sold themselves cheap for too many years.
  10. Shedman

    Shedman Star commenter

    Well said David Getting. We've been through all the rigmarole of telling kids to come to 'catch up' sessions and been highly relieved when they didn't show but we had covered our backs. I also take great, unbridled pleasure in seeing the faces of some of the lazy toerags who open their results envelopes on results day, look totally downcast and then slink away. If they cry well that's even better.
  11. JohnJCazorla

    JohnJCazorla Star commenter

    I agree with your sentiments but if we only teach those who want to learn then that's about half the school population gone (and nearer 90% in the bottom end where I teach, sorry I mean shout). Then we're back to the education for a self-selecting elite which only the more rabid Tories actually endorse.
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  12. Shedman

    Shedman Star commenter

    I agree that we should 'teach to' all students even those who don't want to learn. These kids have to be kept off the streets and imbued with such knowledge such that they can fully participate in society, get a job and pay taxes. I think the point David Getting was making was that he does his best for those who want to learn and I'm sure he does his best to jolly along those who can't be bothered but if some students turn their back on him and ignore his efforts well that's their look out - they had their chance but decided to blow it.
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  13. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

    Can I just say how much I hate the term "bleeding heart liberal"
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  14. Pomza

    Pomza Star commenter

    Unfortunately, I cannot answer that question here...
  15. JL48

    JL48 Star commenter

  16. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    Do beware of giving out professional & personal people to anonyms.
  17. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    My alliteration gland is working overtime, @Pomza, but I'm sure you get my meaning. Familiarity is no guarantee of good faith.
  18. JL48

    JL48 Star commenter

    Coming from someone who thinks that PGCEs are mainly delivered in lecture theatres
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  19. Oldfashioned

    Oldfashioned Senior commenter

    I'm an English specialist and I do long term supply in the NW. From the amount of calls and emails I get, trying to pry me away from my present long termer, it does seem that there are fewer English teachers about.

    I'm fairly picky and won't stay anywhere that expects excessive marking or insists on me doing anything after school.
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    SEBREGIS Lead commenter

    I like the idea that a shortage of teachers could actually force schools to improve our conditions if they want to keep us.

    I'm an optimist, you see.

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