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SIMS access

Discussion in 'Governors' started by neddyfonk, Jul 26, 2016.

  1. Jesmond12

    Jesmond12 Star commenter

    I could not have put it any better myself. If you have questions/ queries why don't you raise them at GB meetings and committees?
    digoryvenn and wanet like this.
  2. neddyfonk

    neddyfonk Lead commenter

    Surely after 25 years you do not believe that the status quo should remain in place without taking account how new technology may better inform or the amount of time some governors are prepared to give in the interests of doing the best we can for the children's education. Why shouldn't I help a school that is muddling through with insufficient funding, time constraints and lacking a few specialists of the payroll. You must have been in meetings where it was made explicitly clear that time, funding and staffing would prohibit the preferred solution.
  3. neddyfonk

    neddyfonk Lead commenter

    That just goes to show how inept the system designers are at providing tools suitable for governors. I posed the question to Capita and have had no reply.
  4. Lattelady

    Lattelady New commenter

    Dear God, Neddyfonk, catch on to yourself. Do you really think that we as a GB have not changed and altered our approach over 25 years to reflect the work of the SMT, legislation and most importantly what is best for our pupils? You still do not seem to have got the point that day to day management is not your bailiwick. The HT is responsible for that, if any of my HTs wanted help or a sounding board, they asked. They did not have it foisted on them.

    Frankly stop trying to interfere, I can only imagine how eyes roll when you walk into school. Think strategically, if you have offered help and it has been refused, it was doubtless for good reason. Perhaps you may like to think whether school governance is actually for you?
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  5. neddyfonk

    neddyfonk Lead commenter

    No -sorry, some things need to be addressed. I am not asking for carteblanche to do what I fancy, but a better framework that makes it easier for governors to understand their school better and identify areas that require improvement without having to grill the head or develop psychic powers.Even simple things like the Welcome Trust advocating that you ask whether the school has invested enough money in resources. I asked and got a rather terse (yes) response. After an Ofsted inspection criticised poor vocabulary a dictionary and thesaurus were bought for every pupil. Could this knee jerk reaction have been avoided if I was a little closer to the metaphorical rock face ?
  6. digoryvenn

    digoryvenn Lead commenter

    It is not your job to be at the 'rock face' or 'chalk face'! You do not have the necessary skills or experience.
    Why don't governors recognise this? The job is difficult enough without such inappropriate interference from governors.
    By thinking about such small details you are not doing your job properly because you are not focusing on strategy. So it would seem you are ineffective as a a governor.
  7. Rott Weiler

    Rott Weiler Star commenter Forum guide

    Mostly they do @digoryvenn it's @neddyfonk who seems to have a continuing problem with understanding this!
  8. digoryvenn

    digoryvenn Lead commenter

    Yes, I know you are right Rott Weiler.
    It just so annoying!
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  9. neddyfonk

    neddyfonk Lead commenter

    All my thinking is strategic - and it does not help one iota when metaphorical doors are shut after the horse has bolted. Governance guidance if full of generic 'business speak' about strategic thinking for the future of the school and better results - but no concrete examples of what a strategic plan might look like or how it should be developed. It is easy to have a strategy for the school performance to exceed national average by 2% but that says nothing about how it will be funded or implemented. I have plenty of SIPS that are not worth the paper they were written on because no one thought about what measurements and Key performance Indicators were required.
  10. Lattelady

    Lattelady New commenter

  11. Lattelady

    Lattelady New commenter

    Right, first of all your plan is a living document, regularly read and updated by the SMT and governor and adapted as needed, not just kept and reissued. If you want to see my school plan, I would happy to share it with you.

    As to KPIs, they sit within the HT's PM, and I rather get the feeling you do not sit on that Committee but you should be aware of what targets have been set and how they cascade down through the staff's PM. If you don't know then, ask the Chair of the Committee how they are set, why your adviser focuses on certain things.

    Finally, you really must stop being so hands on as we all keep telling you, that is not your job.
    wanet likes this.
  12. digoryvenn

    digoryvenn Lead commenter

    The head teacher and staff develop the plans and actions through the school development plan.
    It is not your job to do that.

    A school development plan can take different forms there is no one way to write one. My school development plan for next term will consist of 'lines of enquiry'. I attended an Ofsted course and this is how inspections carry out the inspection by following 'lines of enquiry' so I thought it would be sensible to do the same and then evidence over time will all be prepared when we do receive 'the phone call'!

    Writing an action plan in response to Ofsted or a review of the school is not 'closing the door after the horse has bolted', it is what headteachers do to show how they are going to address the issues.

    Exceeding national average by 2% is not very ambitious. What do you want for your school? What do you want your school to be like by the next Ofsted? You need to 'think big'!
  13. jago123

    jago123 Established commenter

    It is not necessary for governors to have access to SIMs.
    I'll mention this scenario, you give all governors including parent governors access to SIMs, they will then have the ability to edit and falsify data to the benefit of their child.
    SIMs access should be for senior leadership team and teaching and some support staff only.
    If governors require such information, they can request this from the HT or DHT.
  14. neddyfonk

    neddyfonk Lead commenter

    You must have missed some of the earlier posts. Capita could easily make a read only, governor specific version of enquiries which alters names (or omits them) to protect identities or reports by groups. Governors will never have need to enter or edit data.
  15. wanet

    wanet Star commenter

    still not really sure what you want to see, or how this will help.
  16. neddyfonk

    neddyfonk Lead commenter

    For most community governors, schools suffer from black box syndrome where you only find out things at meetings when you are told the heads' interpretation of the current situation. Access to RAISE / dashboard ( not provided as standard) can help but plowing through a multi-page report presented at the meeting with time constraints imposed means you get little opportunity to consider what questions are most important. The information should 'flow' rather than come in big chunks in order to build a picture of what the important issues are for you which might not be the same as the heads priorities.
  17. Skeoch

    Skeoch Star commenter

    Surely good practice would include providing the briefing documents well in advance?
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  18. jago123

    jago123 Established commenter

    Forgot to mention, the only governors that should have access are staff governors (including HT, DHT and AHT)

    Clearly though, can understand needs for data protection, but with capita, why do you need to anonymise student data? Read only is sufficient. And if you do opt for it, you could use that route but you got to be very careful, very careful indeed!
  19. jago123

    jago123 Established commenter

    If it was my school, SIMs access would be, as stated yesterday, only be made available to HT, DHT and AHT, subject leaders, teaching staff and some support staff that require it, for example. Office or SENCO. There would be no n eed to grant access for cover supervisors or teaching assistants as they do not require to enter such data etc.
    And definitely no to all governors apart from staff ones. CoG can get information from Head.
  20. neddyfonk

    neddyfonk Lead commenter

    So what category does a governor come into if they are lower than support staff but help in the selection process for a new head and approve spending on important resources ?

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