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Sign the petition against new rules for non-EU teachers . . .

Discussion in 'Overseas trained teachers' started by TheoGriff, Jan 17, 2016.

  1. TheoGriff

    TheoGriff Star commenter


    @cararol has posted a link to an explanation of this:

    I have signed the petition


    Best wishes
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  2. cararol

    cararol New commenter

    Thanks Theo.

    Good luck to those that this rule affects. From what I can find it's those that are applying for indefinite leave to remain. I'd really like to know if the income threshold needs to be maintained for those that already have ILR (as I've only just left teaching for a much lower paid job).
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  3. TEA2111

    TEA2111 Established commenter

    Non-Eu migrant too. Signed!!
    I have been here 9 years. Only managed to gain QTS 1 year ago (AO route in 1 term) , even though I qualified in 1999. I am now on M2 salary...a far way off £35 000.
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  4. cararol

    cararol New commenter

    I have no idea how to PM here sorry.
    If you haven't already got ILR it maybe worth doing it sooner rather than later if you fulfil all of the current criteria. At least the current minimum earnings threshold is achievable. As of yet I can't find anywhere that expresses that the threshold needs to be maintained.
  5. TheoGriff

    TheoGriff Star commenter


    Click (or hover) on your small avatar at top right of screen. You get a drop-down menu. Select Conversations

    Best wishes

  6. TEA2111

    TEA2111 Established commenter

    HI cararol.
    I came into the UK on an ILR and gained British naturalisation after 3 years and a lot of ££s.
  7. sabrinakat

    sabrinakat Star commenter

    Signed and posted on FB - disgusting action by this government.

    I'm a non-EU national but my husband is Irish. It took over a year, letters from my MP, getting a solicitor involved and ultimately, making a formal complaint to the EU Commission for me to get a Residence Card - which I did not need, but my employer did (no joined up thinking). This new attack is on people are contributing to society, but don't make sufficient monies. Given that the 'average' salary in the UK (outside of London) is about 25K - it is discrimination. If you get rid of the non-nationals in hospitals, schools, etc - who will replace them?

    Not impressed.
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  8. sabrinakat

    sabrinakat Star commenter

    Received today:

    Government responded:

    The £35,000 threshold was announced in 2012 following public consultation. It applies only to workers in graduate occupations. Exemptions exist for workers at PhD-level or in a recognised shortage.

    The Government believes that the UK can benefit from migration but not uncontrolled migration. We are delivering a more selective immigration system that works in the national interest.

    Uncontrolled, mass immigration makes it difficult to maintain social cohesion, puts pressure on public services and can drive down wages for people on low incomes. In the past it has been too easy for employers to bring in workers from overseas, rather than to take the long-term decision to train our workforce here at home.

    As part of our reforms, we consulted in 2011 on being more selective about those workers who are allowed to settle in the UK. We do not believe there should be an automatic link between coming to work in the UK temporarily and staying permanently.

    The £35,000 threshold for settlement applications forms part of our overall strategy and is intended to make a modest contribution to the Government’s target of reducing net migration to sustainable levels. It applies to those holding leave under Tier 2, the skilled work category. This category is reserved for those working in graduate level jobs only.

    The threshold was set following advice from the Migration Advisory Committee (MAC), an independent advisory body consisting of expert labour market economists. The MAC carried out a further public consultation, in addition to that carried out by the Government, before arriving at its recommendations.

    The purpose of the Tier 2 category is to support the UK economy. The MAC advised that the strongest indicator of economic value is salary, and therefore those migrants earning more than a given amount at the end of their temporary leave in the UK should be eligible for settlement.

    £35,000 was equivalent to the median pay of the UK population in skilled jobs which qualified for Tier 2 at the time of the MAC’s consultation. The MAC’s most recent research shows that the equivalent figure today would be £39,000.

    Within Tier 2, there are exemptions for migrants who are working in a PhD-level occupation (such as university researchers), or in a recognised shortage occupation. Nurses, several other healthcare professionals and some teachers are among the jobs which are included on the Shortage Occupation List, and who will be exempt from the threshold.

    This exemption also covers jobs which have been on the Shortage Occupation List at any time in the preceding six years while the settlement applicant has been sponsored to do it. This guards against jobs being returned to shortage because migrant workers who have helped fill skills gaps are required to leave.

    International students enter the UK under Tier 4, the student route. There is a category in Tier 5, the temporary work route, for charity workers. The £35,000 threshold does not apply to these categories, which have never led to settlement in the UK. We have an excellent offer for international graduates who wish to undertake skilled work in the UK after their studies.

    Those workers who are affected by the threshold were aware when they entered that new settlement rules would apply to them. We were clear that the new rules would apply to migrants who entered Tier 2 from 6 April 2011. Employers have also had this time to prepare for the possibility their migrant workers may not meet the required salary threshold to remain in the UK permanently.

    Those workers who cannot meet the threshold can extend their stay in Tier 2 up to a maximum of six years, and can apply to switch into any other immigration routes for which they are eligible.

    Home Office

    Click this link to view the response online:


    The Petitions Committee will take a look at this petition and its response. They can press the government for action and gather evidence. If this petition reaches 100,000 signatures, the Committee will consider it for a debate.

    The Committee is made up of 11 MPs, from political parties in government and in opposition. It is entirely independent of the Government. Find out more about the Committee: https://petition.parliament.uk/help#petitions-committee

    The Petitions team
    UK Government and Parliament
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  9. Middlemarch

    Middlemarch Star commenter

    Yes, it's definitely those pesky graduates from non-EU countries who are the big problem, isn't it?

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  10. sabrinakat

    sabrinakat Star commenter

    Only secondary teachers in Maths, Chemistry and Physics (no Biology) are on the list....

  11. sabrinakat

    sabrinakat Star commenter

    Received this morning:

    Dear XXXXX,

    Parliament is going to debate the petition you signed – “Scrap the £35k threshold for non-EU citizens settling in the UK”.


    Scrap the £35k threshold for non-EU citizens settling in ...

    In April (2016) the Home Office and Theresa May are introducing a pay threshold for people to remain here, after already working here for 5 years. This only affects ...

    The debate is scheduled for 7 March 2016.

    Once the debate has happened, we’ll email you a video and transcript.

    The Petitions team
    UK Government and Parliament
  12. andrew07

    andrew07 Occasional commenter

    Okay, what is wrong with the UK training its own teachers? Also, this is a slap in the face of those who have been driven out because of corrupt SLTs because they are over the age of 40. Instead of #letthemteach, how about #letthembackintotheclassroom.

    This is a terrible idea and do not see why this is the TES's business. I've emailed my MP to express my concerns about this and have also shared this with many people on facebook. No, I will not sign your petition and have cancelled my union membership because they are supporting this. There would be no teaching shortage if conditions were improved. But strangely, bringing overseas millenials over to flood the teaching "profession" and creating the need for more houses in an already full country, seems to be more of an issue.
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  13. Rozario123

    Rozario123 New commenter

    Just a thought for those arguing for non-EU teachers - don't those countries need teachers? Talking to teachers from India and Africa (Nigeria) who are currently working in the UK, they were telling me about the working conditions over there and how much better it is here.
    Dont Indian or African students deserve teachers? Why should the UK steal teachers from poorer countries? Is it not possible for the UK to train its own teachers. BTW British people nowadays come in all shapes and colours! So its not a racist argument
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  14. sabrinakat

    sabrinakat Star commenter

    If you have to say 'its (sic) not a racist argument', it is. :eek:

    ps. The debate was scheduled for 7th March....2016. So you missed the indignation boat by a few years.;)
    pps. I'm not a millenial, either :)

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