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Sick pay in independent schools

Discussion in 'Independent' started by CandyHowes, Jan 10, 2011.

  1. CandyHowes

    CandyHowes New commenter

    Hello - was wondering if anyone would mind sharing the details of the sick pay they receive? My school has a very harsh policy and I am starting to wonder if it is 'the norm'. Apologies for the personal question - thanks in advance.

  2. TheoGriff

    TheoGriff Star commenter

    Hullo there, Candy.
    The Welcome thread has a number of clickables inside, one of them is a FAQs. This is what it says about sick pay:

    12. What’s the sick leave and sick pay entitlement in the independent sector?
    less than the legal minimum. Generally the bigger and more successful
    schools offer sick leave and sick pay which are equal to the maintained
    sector Teachers' Pay and Conditions, but smaller schools may not. It’s
    always wise to check it out, and do it before you accept the job (or
    before you even apply), when you are also checking the pension and
    maternity-pay entitlement.

    Now, Candy, it seems to me that you may be in a school which gives the legal minimum, just Statutory Sick Pay, or just above, rather than giving the maintained
    sector Teachers' Pay and Conditions.

    Here is a summary of the "Burgundy Book" sick pay that maintained school teachers get:
    What level of pay am I entitled to during sick leave?
    Your entitlement to sick pay depends on your year of service. All teachers are entitled to sick pay of varying periods, and this is based on an annual entitlement. The entitlement year runs from 1 April. The allowances are as follows:
    Teachers in first year of service: 25 days full pay. Also, after 4 calendar months of service, you will be entitled to an additional 50 days half pay
    Teachers in second year of service: 50 days full pay; 50 days half pay
    Teachers in third year of service: 75 days full pay; 75 days half pay
    Teachers in fourth year of service: 100 days full pay; 100 days half pay
    For the purposes of this calculation, only working days are used. So, a teacher in their fourth year of service or later is entitled to full pay for the first 100 working days of sickness, as well as full pay during any school holidays or weekends that fall during that time. Normally this extends to a total of approximately 6 months.
    Am I entitled to Statutory Sick Pay (SSP)?
    All teachers who earn more than £95 a week are entitled to Statutory Sick Pay.
    While teachers on sick leave are receiving full pay from their employer, this includes an element of SSP. After full pay expires (i.e. after 25/50/75/100 working days depending on year of service), teachers are eligible for statutory Sick Pay of around £70 per week up until the 28th week of sickness. This includes payment on top of any half-pay allowance from the employer.
    For example, a teacher in his second year of service would receive 50 working days of full pay from his employer. This might extend over 12 weeks. Thereafter, he would receive half pay from his employer for a further 50 working days and in addition, Statutory Sick Pay of around £80 for the next 16 weeks.
    The thing to remember, Candy, is that the vast majority of independent schools give their teachers the same sick pay/sick leave as the Maintained sector - what is called the "Burgundy Book" conditions. So they get that sick pay set out above. It is very generous - usually much more generous than the support staff get, for example.
    Is this what the teachers are getting in your school?
    If not, then you are part of the disadvantaged minority among indy school teachers. And this may also mean that you do not get the enhanced maternity benefits that maintained school teachers get.
    Sorry if this is bad news.
    Best wishes
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  3. If I remember rightly we get one term of full pay, then a term of half pay, then nothing. My previous school had the same provision.
  4. Hi I'm pretty new to the UK in general and not sure what the legal right to sick pay is, could you fill me in? I'm in an independant school and we've been told we get docked for sick days, none of us have taken one yet so we don't know if it will happen, but I took one this week and wondering where I stand if they doc me the day.
  5. I believe if your employer has not got its own sick pay scheme (ask what the school sickness policy is) then after 4 days Statutory Sick Pay can kick in http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/MoneyTaxAndBenefits/BenefitsTaxCreditsAndOtherSupport/Illorinjured/DG_10018786
    Up till then I think your employer should be paying you, provided you notify them you are sick. After 7 or 8 days you will need a certificate from a GP.
    Are you in a union? Have you a contract with them? If not join one now as it sounds like your employer may be trying it on by saying they won't pay at all for sick days.
  6. I'm in NUT, but honestly not sure how much use they would be, very small school very few full time teachers so no power in numbers really.
    Saying that my sick day didn't get docked from my wages so thats grand. Hopefully it wont become an issue but if I have to take a few days off its good to know about the rules, cheers for that :)
  7. cocothedog

    cocothedog New commenter

    I work for possibly the largest company in the country that looks after autistic children and is funded by LEAs at great expense. When I started working for this company we god sick pay. The company has now been taken over by American Venture Capitalists and the Bankers have been visiting and made suggestions where costs can be cut and pay American shareholders a good return on their investment.
    We do not get sick pay now. We get paid if we attend the dentist or hospital appointments but the company has said that noone will be paid for colds, flu, stomach upsets etc...
    I have been for two interviews and I do not get paid when I attend an interview.
    Costs have been cut in all areas, there is a new policy of zero budgeting.
    I would not recommend working for this company and it is disgraceful that they do this being funded with LEA tax payers money.
  8. TheoGriff

    TheoGriff Star commenter

    This is illegal. You have a statutory right to some sick pay, even though it may not be as generous as the Teachers' Sick Pay under Burgundy Book.
    Talk to your union asap.
    Best wishes

    TheoGriff. Member of the TES Careers Advice Service.

    The TES Careers Advice
    service runs seminars and workshops, one-to-one careers and
    applications advice, one-to-one interview coaching and an application
    review service.

    I do Application and Interview one-to-ones,
    and also contribute to the Job Application Workshops. We look at
    application letters, executive summaries and interviews.

    The next Workshops I'm doing that still have vacancies are on Sunday 13th and Friday 25th February. There is also a specialist Workshop for applications to SLT on Saturday February 19th.

    Go to https://www.tes.co.uk/article.aspx?storyCode=6060678 for more details of these and other seminars.

    Look forward to seeing you!

  9. cocothedog

    cocothedog New commenter

    I have contacted my Union about this matter and they say there is too much 'wriggle' room to pursue the matter because when we signed our contracts which were supposed to be STPCD in the small print there was a clause that said 'When the company policy is in conflict with STPCD, the company policy prevails'. This so says my Union area rep trumps the fact that sick pay was always paid in the past and I have an e-mail from a previous Head when I first started the job that teachers are not subject to the stated company policy.
    My Union rep says that there is possibly a case but we are concentrating on another issue at the moment. Thanks for your comment.

  10. sunnyhillier8899

    sunnyhillier8899 New commenter

    Hi, TheoGriff, it was nice to read your answers and threads here. I was recently diagnosed by doctor and psychologist, that "work related stress and depression", Doctor gave me certificate for 3 months. I worked at this school for 6 years, it is an independent school. HR told me that I can only get paid for 6 weeks. I wonder is this right? The private schools do not need to follow the Burgundy Book? Or, anybody knows more about this? many thanks.
  11. Skeoch

    Skeoch Star commenter

  12. caterpillartobutterfly

    caterpillartobutterfly Star commenter

    Very possibly correct. Read your contract and the long term sickness policy and find out.
  13. nighttrace

    nighttrace New commenter

    I think it also depends on the school management. One colleague at my school recently was given 6 months leave with full pay to care for their family. Our head is incredibly supportive.
  14. silenceapres3

    silenceapres3 New commenter

    My school gives 20 days paid; 20 days unpaid. Appalling! I successfully renegotiated my salary when I read the contract before signing it.
  15. sunnyhillier8899

    sunnyhillier8899 New commenter

    Lucky you! Stay in a good school which cares about their teachers! Very rare in the U.K., or maybe just London any more.
  16. sunnyhillier8899

    sunnyhillier8899 New commenter

    Well done! Good to negotiate, cos we don’t know if we could get ill one day.

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