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Should We Stop Using ISIS/IS/ISIL to refer to Daesh?

Discussion in 'Personal' started by nick909, Nov 21, 2015.

  1. nick909

    nick909 Star commenter

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  2. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

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  3. cuteinpuce

    cuteinpuce Star commenter

  4. aspensquiver

    aspensquiver Star commenter

    Don't like the use of Isis because it tarnishes the lovely name of an Egyptian god. I sometimes cat-sat a sweet cat called Isis.
     
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  5. les25paul

    les25paul Star commenter

    The "murdering filth" don't like being called Daesh, I believe its an insult. That alone makes it a called reason to call them Daesh, although I prefer "murdering filth".
     
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  6. nomad

    nomad Star commenter

    Why not?
     
  7. Didactylos4

    Didactylos4 Star commenter

    Having read, often with mounting disgust, other threads on the alleged effects of Islam on the actions of these terrorists, I would think that this will attract some of the "usual suspects".
    A bit like flies to (banned word)

    I personally don't don't care what name they go by or is used to refer to them.
    I know what they are and those words are banned too
     
  8. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    It's a very politically correct sort of western discussion... what shall we call them! We don't really refer to the enemy in WWII as Germans, we call them Nazis or Fascists. Because we like modern Germany.

    We call them ISIS, the USA called the ISIL for a while, they want to be called IS... all just pretty stickers to plaster on to what they really are... barbaric, meathead thugs.
     
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  9. nick909

    nick909 Star commenter

    Over and above any political correctness, it also suggests a refusal to acknowledge the existence of the state they are claiming to be, in the same way they refuse to acknowledge the existence of the countries they wish to destroy.
     
  10. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    I want their religion and its believers to understand and to react against the source.
     
  11. nomad

    nomad Star commenter

    Good point.
     
  12. Cliffedge

    Cliffedge Occasional commenter

    Why when these names all mean the same thing and Islamic is what they refer to themselves as?
     
  13. silvaran

    silvaran Occasional commenter

    In Arabic 'Daesh' just means D A E S H - Its an Arabic Acronym......that translates simply as I S I L.

    The difference is that unlike English acronyms are not used very much in Arabic. DAESH (ISIL) wants people to use its pompous longer full form - its the term they use themselves.

    It up to the Arabic people who suffer most from DAESH to select a word that describes them best - That's why the millions of Arabs who oppose them prefer the acronym turned to a word 'daesh' which can roughly sound like 'daes' meaning approximately to trample or crush under foot.

    For Arabs daesh is therefore a fictitious made up word appropriate for a fictitious concept that sums up Daesh neatly.

    That's why we should use daesh - because DAESH dont want us to and its what their Arabic opponents use to insult them .
     
  14. Duke of York

    Duke of York Star commenter

    Surely if it's a recognised insult, the mods would be obliged to ban its use on these boards?

    I'm of the opinion that each language should derive its own term for this group so we fully understand the relevancy.
     
  15. magic surf bus

    magic surf bus Star commenter

    What's Arabic for k********?

    I'm sure Oxford University Rowing Club's second boat crew would be delighted if we came up with an alternative name for the nutters rampaging around Syria.
     
  16. silvaran

    silvaran Occasional commenter

    رؤساء مقبض Ruasa'mukbid
     
  17. xmal

    xmal Established commenter

    They are Islamic so let's drop the myth that they are not. Also, I doubt IS give a flying **** what some hand-wringing teachers call them.
     
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  18. grumpydogwoman

    grumpydogwoman Star commenter

    It up to the Arabic people who suffer most from DAESH to select a word that describes them best - That's why the millions of Arabs who oppose them prefer the acronym turned to a word 'daesh' which can roughly sound like 'daes' meaning approximately to trample or crush under foot.

    For Arabs daesh is therefore a fictitious made up word appropriate for a fictitious concept that sums up Daesh neatly.

    That's why we should use daesh - because DAESH dont want us to and its what their Arabic opponents use to insult them .


    silvaran


    This should be the prelude to every newspaper article and TV report on the subject.
     
  19. lapinrose

    lapinrose Star commenter

  20. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    http://www.cracked.com/blog/isis-wants-us-to-invade-7-facts-revealed-by-their-magazine/

    Scroll down to number 6 and you find...

    The warriors of ISIS are proud to be terrorists and proud to be brutal. And learning this has made the Internet crusade to convince people to call them "Daesh" seem extra dumb.

    Daesh is an acronym for the original name ISIS fought under before declaring their "caliphate" (a formal religious-led Islamic state) and, so the argument goes, they just hate it when you call them that. But from what I can tell, ISIS doesn't seem to care much about that themselves. On Page 38 of Issue 4, they note that some Westerners call them Daesh matter-of-factly, without seeming to care much about it either way. It's never brought up again and barely comes off as an annoyance within the context of the article.

    "They even imitated the nusayriyyah and secularist opposition by labelling the Islamic State as 'Daesh' and 'Tandhim ad-Dawlah,' in a manner precisely mimicking the satellite channels and palace scholars of Al Salul and Qat ..."

    Attention Internet: People who celebrate pictures of civilians they've killed as well as pictures of their own friend's murdered corpses don't give a **** what you call them. I've heard it said that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom-fighter. But the folks at ISIS don't consider "freedom" a good thing (they refer to themselves as "slaves of Allah" on virtually every page), and they are happy calling themselves "Soldiers of Terror" ...
     

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