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Discussion in 'Personal' started by Vladimir, Mar 8, 2016.
Should Turkey be allowed to join the EU?
Where's the 'don't know' button?
Also 'don't care'.
I didn't include one because it is an important issue. If you wish to ignore it, why reply here with absolutely nothing to say? You should care, though. If Turkey joins the EU, or rather when it joins, that will mean another 75 million EU citizens able to move freely (and we know what that means!) Throughout the EU on top of the ever-increasing numbers of migrants that, in reality, Turkey will do very little about. So you should care!
Not at the moment. Or for the foreseeable future unless they become more democratic and less like this:
That's the button I was looking for
You mean Turkey that has a per capita GDP of $11,000 compared to an EU average of $34,300?
Yeah that'll be a nice net contributor to the EU coffers...
Or Turkey that has actively sought the overthrow of neighbours government? That has actively traded with ISIS and supported them financially and with weapons... that even now could if it wished easily defeat ISIS with the second largest army in NATO but doesn't.
Or the Turkey that has spent the past year engaged in action described in this weeks Private Eye [pg20] as genocide. With its army encircling Kurdish towns and cities, shelling and attacking residential areas and killing civilians?
Or the Turkey that has a government actively crushing opposition media, taking over newspapers, imprisoning critics of the government? That has a government wading in corruption allegations and investigations?
And to get a bit conspiratorial. the same Turkey that for four years from 2011-2015 had no problem containing Syrian refugees but after it's undemocratic crack down on protests triggered by Gezi park, and it's inability to take criticism from foreign governments seems to have unleashed a million strong refugee wave in revenge...
Yeah you guessed it... I voted no.
No, because of everything Lanokia said.
They will be given membership as a reward for helping stop refugees before they reach Greece. NIMBYism in international form.
Doesn't sound a million miles from a government based in Downing Street. Dave would love to crush opposition to his selfish EU wet dream!
If they do get in then it is another reason for the UK to leave.
They won't be getting in anytime soon. And if we are in the EU we can veto them if they do apply. If we're not in, we may find us having to open our borders to Turkish workers should they join the EU as we'll be forced to accept open borders as a quid pro quo for being able to trade with the EU.
So fear of Turkey applying should, logically, make you vote 'no' to Brexit....
Certainly not. It would be utter madness. Its political system, its economy and its society is totally incompatible with ours. Human rights are in a sorry state in Turkey, with journalists harassed, jailed and killed. The prospect of Turkey joining is why I am voting for Brexit.
Then don't be upset if we can't veto their admission, and then find ourself forced to accept free movement of labour from the EU (as Norway does) as part of the price we'll have to pay for access to markets in the EU.
Isn't it inappropriate to have this vote open at this time to those who will be voting to leave the EU? I mean they can't have it both ways, can they? Either they wish to be part of the EU and be able to influence EU policy, or choose to leave, in which case EU business is none of theirs.
Don't take your eye off the ball here. Remember Turkey has threatened to flood the EU with migrants if they don't get what they want!
I forgot one ... so many...
Or the Turkey that last month shelled Syrian Kurdish forces that were driving back ISIS forces in Northern Syria? So providing on-the-ground military assistance to the perpetrators of the Paris attacks...
If you put it that way, it sounds like an ideal addition to the EU! I mean, why leave a job half done?
Oh now you're just being picky!
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The prospect of Turkey joining the EU without massive political reform is the one thing that would change my 'in' vote to 'out'
If that's the only reason, then you have absolutely nothing to worry about. Both Greece and Cyprus have a veto on their membership, and to say that there is no love lost is an understatement. Bulgaria and Romania also have vetos, and would also be certain to use them. France has promised a referendum, which would also almost definitely deliver a no vote. Merkel also recently stated that there was no chance. In fact the only country that has ever been particularly pro Turkey joining is the UK, largely at the US's behest.
Even the proTurkey group in the EP, has changed their tune since Erdogan's recent moves on the press etc.
There is absolutely no prospect of Turkey joining the EU within the next generation or so.
If we leave the EU., it will be our choice on border control, as we are now we have no choice. Which obviously suits the stayers.