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Should primary school teacher be expected to teach from 3-11....

Discussion in 'Primary' started by Ricochet, Jun 12, 2011.

  1. or specialise in a smaller range of year groups?
     
  2. wordclass

    wordclass New commenter

    The latter - but with some flexibility!
     
  3. I know there are a range of courses out there for teaching. Some will cover all of the primary age range, others will be specialise - Foundation Stage/KS1 or KS2.
    I did a PGCE and specialised in Foundation Stage/KS1. What yeay group you end up teaching will all depend on your head teacher. I have now been in KS2 for 4 years and will be in KS2 again next year. Don't think I would like to teach Foundation Stage or KS1 again.
     
  4. greta444

    greta444 New commenter

    I think teachers should be able to teach all year groups. I regularly change year groups, starting with nursery/reception and am currently teaching Y4/5. I am covering Nursery on Thursday. Nothing if not flexible. If the dreaded redundancy comes up, I'll be safe in the knowledge that my flexibility may help me keep my job.
     
  5. becky70

    becky70 New commenter

    Whatever the rights and wrongs of it, the legal position is that your head can ask you to teach any year group - I think there may be some rules about needing certain training to teach EYFS but I'm not sure.
    I've never taught Nursery but have done every other age group from FS2 to Year 6. Have done supply in recent years followed by a teaching post covering classes across the school so need to be flexible!
    I think it is fair to expect people to be flexible and move around - too long in one year group isn't good for professional development.
     
  6. wordclass

    wordclass New commenter

    Should a YR or Y6 teacher be 'expected' to move to the opposite year group in one go?
     
  7. greta444

    greta444 New commenter

    Why not? I did. You soon get used to it.
     
  8. Msz

    Msz Established commenter

    Why not?

     
  9. minnieminx

    minnieminx New commenter

    If it is the best thing for the school to deploy teachers in that way then yes.

    Teachers need to be deployed by the HT in the way s/he thinks best, so do need to be willing to teach all ages.
     
  10. carriecat10

    carriecat10 Occasional commenter Community helper

    Having been 'encouraged' out of my comfort zone a few years ago, it made me realise how important it is that Primary teachers do have experience and knowledge of the whole Primary range.
    IMO you need to know how what you are doing builds on where the children have come from and alsofeeds into the next stage of their learning.
    I'm not saying teachers shouldn't specialise - I think I have found my niche. But you can get stale and a good shake up every now and again can revitalise your enthusiasm ... maybe!

    Carrie [​IMG]
     
  11. wordclass

    wordclass New commenter

    <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td class="post">Should a YR or Y6 teacher be 'expected' to move to the opposite year group in one go?
    Why not?
    I am not suggesting it is an impossible move (had actually anticipated a chorus of "I have" and meant to mention the likelihood). I highlighted the word 'expected' because of the connotations. I'd consider a year group move like this a challenging one and would be interested to know the context and rationale behind it (as opposed to smaller scale changes over time). Then again, a radical shake up is probably good every once in a while! The reason I left my previous school was, to an extent, because I felt 'stuck' in Year 6. I wonder how I might have felt if I had been offered such a move? Interesting situation. M
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  12. ditwee

    ditwee New commenter

    I'd quite like a change of scenery, but the other teachers are in their comfort zones so I don't see that changing soon. The only downside is that your entire range of resources and self-bought books become redundant, and you have to start from scratch really with your planning.
     
  13. Ok, slightly different question: how different do you think the children are, in terms of their develpment from, say, age 5 to age 11?

     
  14. CarrieV

    CarrieV Lead commenter

    I specifically studied a 3-11 PGCE so I would feel as comfortable as possible teaching the full range-and I have, starting in Reception and now in 5/6. I will admit to prefering the older age group and it probably suits my "natural style" more but can turn my hand to any age group if required ( always good if redundancies are looming!)
     
  15. Msz

    Msz Established commenter

    There are different challenges in every age group. Obviously 5 year olds just beginning school are still adult dependent to a great extent and the role of the teacher is to help them become independent - hopefully by the age of 11 children have gained that independence in their learning.
    I did a primary BEd (3-11) the first two years covered the complete age range the final two we specialised either 3-8 or 7-11

     
  16. minnieminx

    minnieminx New commenter

    I honestly think that a good teacher will look at the class they have and be whatever that class need them to be.

    Older children tend to be more independent, but are not always so..

    Older children can be expected to behave in a more socially acceptable way, younger ones need to be taught how.

    Older children generally are better at understanding wit and sarcasm, but not in every case.

    I trained as a 11-18 maths teacher, taught most of my career in yr 5-8 middle schools, have taught for several years as a year 5 or 6 teacher in primary and hope very much to move to KS1 in September. I've also spent a few years of my career as a supply teacher teaching all from 3-18. You just be what the class need you to be and do what they need you to do.
     
  17. Thank you for all your replies. I am really interested in this as a topic, although its not actually a personal experience.

    Reading a business book the other night, it said that specialists will always command higher status (and consequently pay) than generalists. The 'Jack of All trades', 'Master of None' was at the heart of the author's stance.

    I was trying to think about how this would apply to teachers. Haven't really come to any conclusions but enjoying the discussion. :)
     
  18. 6 years ago I would have said keep me in Year 6 and never let me leave; I'll never go into KS1 let alone FS. After 6 years of Y6 I needed a change and am now in an Infants School teaching Year 2 and loving it. I have covered classes in FS and loved that too. It shows great adaptability and a willingness to learn different skills if you are prepared to change year groups.
    I personally don't want to move year groups or even key stages for a while and glad of the change. A teacher might not think it is right for them at the time but after a while they will be glad they trained in a range of Key Stages.
     

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