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Should Labour now come out for a rejection of Brexit?

Discussion in 'Personal' started by red_observer, Nov 10, 2017.

  1. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    You mean teachers who lean to the left;)
  2. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    Glad your back:) and in good form.
    artboyusa likes this.
  3. Didactylos4

    Didactylos4 Star commenter

    Are you sure you aren't Tory double agent Red :D
  4. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    Still plenty of time for Labour to engage with the public mood! Nope, they will probably go for another distraction like a leadership challenge. They do have that kind of form.
  5. elledriver

    elledriver Lead commenter

  6. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    Fair calll. I need to use better language. I meant is she politically naive? I think you know that too @racroesus
  7. artboyusa

    artboyusa Lead commenter

    He's a proper something, I'll give you that.
  8. colpee

    colpee Star commenter

    And a Brexiteer by choice.
  9. burajda

    burajda Lead commenter

    But they need us more than we need them. Why would they not want something that they need so much?
    Anyway, why do they say it can't be cancelled. The leaders of Germany and France and all their business leaders don't want us to leave....or do the EU not give a t0ss about what Germany and France think?
  10. burajda

    burajda Lead commenter

    We've got much more manufacturing industry than we had in the 1970s. But we have a lot less manufacturing jobs.
    wanet likes this.
  11. burajda

    burajda Lead commenter

    As for Brexit, of course it can be abandoned. We can always change our mind, we wouldn't be a democracy if we couldn't change our minds about a democratic decision.
    I think a no deal would mean no Brexit but I still think we'll end up with a Norway style deal rather than a Canada style deal.
    red_observer likes this.
  12. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    Yes jobs wise we do. I would like to see the stats about that though @burajda
  13. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    No he’s not that’s fake news
  14. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    He’s a socialist so anti capitalist. Most Socialists would be for a socialist Europe!
  15. oldsomeman

    oldsomeman Star commenter

    Corbyn cant be one then as he wanted to be out of Europe originally .
  16. burajda

    burajda Lead commenter

    A slow rise - about 1.5% a year from 1960 to 2007., . But it is a declining percentage of our GDP - About 25% in the mid 1970s and about half that today. The table below doesn't show the decline in 2008-11 but since then output has recovered to be above the 2007 level. But in total there is definitely about 30% more manufacturing output today than in the mid 1970s.

    Source ONS

    We'll never be the workshop of world, but there's plenty of life in the old British manufacturing dog, although there are some younger terriers around.....Post crash, Britain's share of world manufacturing has held up pretty well compared to other developed economies.

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  17. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    I think you are mistaken regarding the manufacturing output.
  18. Mr_Ed

    Mr_Ed Established commenter


    I recently read a book called 'The Brexit Club: The Inside Story of the Leave Campaign’s Shock Victory' by Owen Bennet.

    Jeremy Corbyn wasn't mentioned much, but at the very end was this: "...Corbyn was described by more than one Leave campaigner as 'the quiet hero of Brexit'."

    In summer 2016, I assumed his lackluster support for the 'Remain' side (7.5/10 I think he said) was just incompetent electioneering, but having seen his work in May/June this year, I know that not to be the case, it was calculated and most definitely not 'fake news'.

    lexus300 likes this.
  19. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    Because there is nothing to stop a member that cancels withdrawal from re-triggering Article 50 the very next day and thus automatically gaining a further two years of negotiating time.

    This would totally undermine the two-year limit enshrined in Article 50 and would leave the EU totally unable to control the timetable for withdrawal, which would then, in effect, be at the whim of the withdrawing nation.

    For that reason, I believe the EC would oppose tooth and nail any attempt to cancel notice of withdrawal. Even if the UK showed no sign of such a dirty trick, the EU would not want to set the precedent for some other member to do so in the future.

    Of course, whether they are right or not would ultimately have to be decided by the ECJ.
  20. MrMedia

    MrMedia Lead commenter

    All parties want to please both sides. You need to be in Europe and out of Europe. Which is what we had before. In Europe but not in the euro. In Europe but opted out of various bits.
    There is no binary outcome that will please everyone. If anyone tries to broker a cliff edge Brexit they will lose the election.
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