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Should I be prepared to work for £81 a day?

Discussion in 'Supply teaching' started by Georgia99, Jan 8, 2012.

  1. Georgia99

    Georgia99 New commenter

    After trying to register with supply agencies since qualifying in July (unsuccessfully) I have finally had an agency phone me to ask me to register as they have no other specialist teachers of my subject on their books and 'tell me' they are getting regular demands from schools for my subject.
    However as I am a NQT my daily rate will be £81.
    I am currently working part time on a maternity contract directly with a school, I am being paid on MPS but if I do cover work for the school I am paid about £110 a day which is my NQT salary divided by 195.
    If after my current contract ends and I do supply with them, even in the unlikely event that I work all 195 days of the academic year, I will earn an annual salary of £15795. I am assuming I accrue holiday pay although expect this is just the statutory minimum of 20 days a year?
    How can this be right or indeed fair? Of course beggars can't be choosers but I find this shocking, or am I missing something?
     
  2. magic surf bus

    magic surf bus Star commenter

    No you're not missing anything. Agency rates are more often than not below MPS rates, although some agencies will pay more than £81 a day for a teacher. Maybe you need to keep shopping around.

    If you're asked to do Cover Supervision you could be offered as little as £10 an hour, maybe less. Make sure you keep well in with the school you're working at - their rate of pay is as good as it gets.
     
  3. I qualified in 2007. I have been very fortunate to do most of my supply work through the LEA. However, since September my LEA has advised schools to use one particular agency. I joined the agency in October and have had at least two days every week. Thanks to the agency I am starting a job share in a local school tomorrow. The down side is the agency pay £75 and then £9 towards holiday pay. I have no choice but to work for the agency; if I don't work for them then I don't teach at all! That's the way it is at the moment; you may not want to do it but they will find someone else who will!!
     
  4. les25paul

    les25paul Star commenter

    I think that your best option when your current contract ends would be to offer your services to the school as a supply teacher as and when required. Both parties will gain from this since its cheaper for the school to hire you rather then go through an agency and you get more pay. Use your time during this contract to show the school how dedicated and hard working you are and I'm sure they would prefer you to an unknown agency teacher for cover lessons.
    Meanwhile there is no harm in registering with this agency so that they can fill in any gaps your school cannot use you for. £81 a day is better then nothing and the agency might even up their rate when they realise you can pick up better paid work elsewhere,
     
  5. Lara mfl 05

    Lara mfl 05 Star commenter

    One way of looking at the situation
    Work out &pound;81 pound a day. Roughly 5hrs 10-20 mins (you don't get paid for the lunch hour), still works out @&pound;16/17 pounds an hour! Are there <u>any</u> jobs in your area, which pay those sort of rates?
    Consider the average TA who might get around &pound;700 for roughly 10 months of the year so &pound;7,000 a year and that's working every day, inset days and the like. Suddenly &pound;81 a day seems quite resonable?
     
  6. ilovesooty

    ilovesooty Lead commenter

    That seems fair enough to me.
     
  7. cissy3

    cissy3 Star commenter

    Wouldn't it depend on your personal circumstances?

    ie If you were single, and got only one day's work per week @ &pound;81, then you have worked a day for about &pound;10-20. (Because you could claim &pound;60-70 per week JSA)
    Personally, I would work for the &pound;81, but only if for two days per week or more. IYSWIM


     
  8. Lara mfl 05

    Lara mfl 05 Star commenter

    Regardless of whether you are single or not
    if you're paid &pound;81 a day you're paid &pound;81 for one day's work! Now if one were to average out one's earnings over the week that might work out at an average of &pound;16 a day so if you were to apply that ' reasoning' - you'd be being paid &pound;16 a day X 4 = &pound;56 for doing no work at al on those other days! It's still income at the end of the week to pay for bills and groceries.
     
  9. cissy3

    cissy3 Star commenter

    Sorry, I have read this several times, and I don't understand what you mean [​IMG]
    Will try again when less tired!
     
  10. Lara mfl 05

    Lara mfl 05 Star commenter

    I was responding to your post saying "ie If you were single, and got only one day's work per week @ &pound;81,<u> then you have worked a day for about &pound;10-20</u>. ", which is not the case unless you 'average out' your earnings.
    My comment was meant to indicate that if you are paid at <u>&pound;81 a day </u>that's always t <u>&pound;81 a day</u> unless you average outin which case you are effectively being paid on days on which you<u> aren't </u>working!<u>
    </u>
     
  11. The going rate round here is £7 an hour and the agency will often call and ask you to do odd hours.
     
  12. cissy3

    cissy3 Star commenter

    I'm not with an agency, but I am 'on the books' of 2 schools as a 'casual cover supervisor', and that is the pay rate also, but after tax.
    I am not going to do it any longer, because unless they can provide me with a minimum of 2 days per week I'm as well off on JSA. And thats not counting work expenses, such as travel, clothing etc.

    Lara mfl 05, I think I see what you mean, but my point was, that if you can only get so many hours per week, then it isn't really worth your while. (See above)
    And my point about being single, was really about cost of living/eligibility for benefits etc.
    Apologies if I have still misunderstood.
     
  13. Breaking it down to an hourly rate of 16 pounds an hour only works if you are only talking about single days of supply. If you get long-term work, you have to add on all the hours planning, marking, report-writing, etc. Which can easily bring your hourly rate down to minimum wage levels.
     
  14. Lara mfl 05

    Lara mfl 05 Star commenter

    cissy
    "I am not going to do it any longer, because unless they can provide me
    with a minimum of 2 days per week I'm as well off on JSA. And thats not
    counting work expenses, such as travel, clothing etc
    ."
    & "but my point was, that if you can only get so many hours per week, then it isn't really worth your while."
    But do you really want to spend the rest of your life claiming JSA? Or having to look at alternative work after 6 months?
    In purely financial terms, it may not be worth it but at a lower rate i e &pound;81 an hr you will probably be getting more wor than the likes of myself. Believe mebeing unemployed contributes a lot to depression as it gradually erodes one's confidence and belief in one's capacity to do any type of work.
    Being employed, at whatever rate, IS preferable.
     
  15. les25paul

    les25paul Star commenter

    My thoughts exactly, provided you are not out of pocket the better option is to take a day's supply and lose your JSA.
    Whilst you are working you are gaining more experience, improving or reinforcing your skills and there's every chance one days work will leads onto more.
    Sat at home watching daytime TV is boring (Countdown excluded of course) and reduces your confidence to do any kind of work.
     
  16. historygrump

    historygrump Senior commenter Forum guide

    One of the problems is that the dishonest and deceitful agencies see supply teachers as a form of desperate slaves, who they can hire out to any school and maintain their high profit margin, while reducing our wages. After all, they have us over a barrel at the moment in terms of work available, with the emergence of the CS role and so can reduce our wages with the choice of take it or leave it. That is why many qualified teachers are forced to work as Cs, because the role of Cs as all but replaced the role of supply teachers, this means that the pay is also lowered for by the schools and agencies. It is if there is a conspiracy between the schools and agencies to change our official title and status (but not our role) to reduce the costs to the schools.
    Yes, I am getting fed up with the whole system and the levels of dishonesty.
     
  17. oldsomeman

    oldsomeman Star commenter

    the thing with the dole is tht you accrue other benifits such as rent and housing which you still have to find if you are doing one days supply.It depends on what the Dole pay you in the end...they dont give a toss any more than the supply agencies do.....
    If you can get 3 days @81 then it is benificial as long as they are local...yu shuld ask for travel expense if they are outside of a reasonable area/
    I myself would never take Cs,jobs even though i have been offered them/its big goverment and LA and school scam. The shanis that Ofsted a done pick up on thins and indeed the Goverment dont get off its rear and do something.
     
  18. If you can get &pound;115 a day as an NQT you are VERY lucky indeed. I get &pound;120 a day but I have 35 years experience. NQTs round here wouldn't get above &pound;100 a day.
     
  19. I would love to get a job paying 81 pound I am seriously considering a job paying &pound;6.40 at present.
     
  20. VelvetChalk

    VelvetChalk New commenter

    My national agency pay £101 per day for nqts like me, after tax thats about 80 quid and its a rate im pretty happy with to be honest. I have heard of some nqts getting more but these are all based around London/outer London. I am based in the midlands....
     

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