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Shocking Unions support keeping British teachers low paid in crummy conditions.

Discussion in 'Education news' started by binaryhex, Jun 25, 2018.

  1. peapicker

    peapicker Star commenter

    I assumed tongue was firmly in cheek... :p
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  2. Maths_Shed

    Maths_Shed Occasional commenter

    Probably because they were shown the door by the new breed of HT.
  3. applecrumblebumble

    applecrumblebumble Lead commenter

    To train up a union rep. who has the knowledge and experience to represent staff and have the confidence to talk to a HT with confidence takes years. That’s assuming the HT wants to even listen, they have got far too big for their boots and Gove has given them power to disappear anyone. Any change has to come from outside, the unions, the natural lack of teacher recruitment/ retention and the number of inept decisions being made by academies/MATs will effectually bring about change but will it be a complete knee jerk change. To this end will education ever be the same in this country ever again.
  4. Maths_Shed

    Maths_Shed Occasional commenter

    It's not just union reps, it's anyone who expresses an opinion other than 'that's a good idea'. Quite a few of the recently active threads are interwoven, can you get a job over 50? and the exodus of experienced teachers immediately spring to mind. It's broken and no, education will never be the same again.
  5. Catgirl1964

    Catgirl1964 Occasional commenter

    This sounds like a normal job description for an HLTA role in its current form. The students would most likely all be on the SEND register for the school and it will be considered small group teaching. Ever since the HLTA role was dreamt up, this has been part of the job, including planning, delivering and marking work but it is supposed to be overseen by the specialists in the relevant departments although it rarely is. Yes, it is teaching on the cheap but so, to a certain extent, is the Cover Supervisor role. This was one of the main concerns when CSs we're introduced.

    SEBREGIS Lead commenter

    You know, this is something of a myth. I get that some heads would like to do that, but its illegal and unions will fight it tooth an nail, for obvious reasons. I know a lot of union reps and not one of them has ever been dismissed, disciplined or moved on.

    To be fair, it may not help your promotion chances in some schools and you'd better be above reproach, but that's a personal choice. Do you enjoy helping your colleagues and would you like to have a better school all round? Or would you go for a TLR in a place where management can do what it wants?

    The other side of the coin is - some schools actively encourage people to join unions and take up the role. It gives them an impartial contact with the staff and defuses a lot of grumbling.

    This belief is pretty widespread, and it's one of those things that really stops people putting their hands up to do the job, which is a shame.
  7. Maths_Shed

    Maths_Shed Occasional commenter

    As I replied above, I wasn't particularly referring to union reps. Be assured it happens.
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  8. Jolly_Roger15

    Jolly_Roger15 Star commenter

    I have known two personally who have.
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  9. blazer

    blazer Star commenter

    I know a couple as well.
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  10. magic surf bus

    magic surf bus Star commenter

    I only volunteered to become a Union Rep because I knew my remaining time in the school was limited. The metaphorical writing was on the wall for my subject and I was going to have to jump or eventually be pushed. In the end I jumped.

    I managed to get everybody off invigilation, nagged SLT about equitable cover, made them more cautious about rash decision making, kept the HT guessing about union membership numbers, and attended meetings with of a couple of staff who were being shown the door. I did the rep training as well. Support among my members was variable, and never complete. There's not much you can do without solid support - it was very much a rearguard action. After I left I don't think anyone else stepped up to the plate.
  11. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    Well, quite. Minimus the misinformation pig has been at it again...
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  12. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

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  13. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

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  14. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    Every international I’ve ever worked alongside has been nice, up for a challenge, full of stamina, interesting and YOUNG. Therefore...cheap. Therefore...they get the job over a first rate older and far more experienced candidate Who livestock round the corner from the school. It’s not fair and it’s hard to prove, but it exists and long term, it will stuff up teaching good and proper. Schools will be like crappy hotels with a low average age and constant turnover,
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  15. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    But, although this would be hard for those international teachers, it would be GREAT for us oldies, would inject a shot of intellectual sanity and experience into the arm of your average school, and would probably improve staff retention and continuity. Something has to give.
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  16. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    Count me in too! Buy British!! Wonder how things will play out by 2015...schools staffed by short term 20somethkngs, Schools staffed by AI droids, or a return to the old normal system? Hmm...
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  17. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

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  18. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    Geoff’s got his fingers in his ears!
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  19. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    The Tories will doubtless soon introduce some abysmal ‘new style teaching golden certificate’ which is pish easy to get and which is deemed superior to the old PGCE or other taught qualification with on the placement training, thereby replacing all good teachers and even all average young qualified teachers with thicko jobsworths and Edu-droid operatives.
  20. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    Although personally, I would argue that charity begins at home.

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