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Sharing of own resources / unfair work distribution

Discussion in 'Workplace dilemmas' started by natalielonglegs, Jun 3, 2019.

  1. Piranha

    Piranha Star commenter

    If they were bought him, he would keep them when changing jobs. If they were bought by his employer, then he would leave them. When I retired, I was careful about what things belonged to me and took them home with me, except for a couple of things I would never leave, so left for my colleagues. Here, the work, by law, belongs to the employer, however wrong that may sound. Unlike tools, electronic resources can be left at school and kept by their creator, which sounds like an ideal solution to me.
     
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  2. CheeseMongler

    CheeseMongler Lead commenter

    I think I'd be at the bottom of the barrel of happiness if you just put me in front of overpaid MAT 'subject specialists'; seeing my own resources being used couldn't bring me any lower.
     
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  3. ridleyrumpus

    ridleyrumpus Lead commenter

    Or CPD sessions that have patently just been downloaded off teacher toolkit or the like, complete with logos etc.
     
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  4. SEBREGIS

    SEBREGIS Lead commenter

    Oh, try having a 'history advisor' walk into your classroom and tell you how to do your job... when you've checked them up online and know they don't actually have a history degree. My cup of pleasure raneth over, I assure you.
     
  5. TheOracleAtDelphi

    TheOracleAtDelphi Occasional commenter

    I can't remember whether I have asked this previously when this topic has come up or whether I just thought about asking it but just out of interest, as a supply teacher, who does my 'work product'/resources/whatever you want to call it belong to? The school which I work at or the agency who are my employers? And does it make a difference if you are paid via UC or are self-employed instead of PAYE (I'm not now but was just interested whether it would technically make a difference or not)?
     
  6. Lara mfl 05

    Lara mfl 05 Star commenter

    I often wondered this as I was a supply for many years, but all under the local LA, Some resources though were not produced for any school but in my 'slack times' to help me keep up and fill my time usefully and those I decided were mine and are those I posted on her in Resources.
     
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  7. Deirds

    Deirds Senior commenter

    A supply friend was offered a permanent role in a MAT.

    The contract stipulated anything created belonged to the school. As she ran a part time Art business she was not keen. I don't know if it got cleared up, but I assume it meant all resources for school created.

    If OP created resources during the 6 weeks they didn't work for the unit I assume they don't belong to the organisation.

    I have worked on schools where I am pressured to share resources and HoD/HoF has nothing available. "Did you download anything from other schools you've worked at?"

    Most schools seem to have a good system of sharing resources...

    I'm happy to share resources I've made, but I'm not sure they're good quality. Certainly not going to make my fortune...

    And,as others have said, resources usually have to be tweaked..
     
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  8. Rott Weiler

    Rott Weiler Star commenter Forum guide


    Lawyers get rich trying to answer questions like that. :) I wouldn't want to even guess the answer. Unless and until an actual case gets taken to court I think that's in the 'nobody knows' category.

    If as a supply teacher you build up a bank of your own resources when you aren't being employed by or assigned to any school then they aren't created "in the course of your employment" so you own the copyright. That's just my opinion though and I'm not a lawyer so please don't rely on it! Get union or legal professional advice.
     
  9. flyingcircusfreak

    flyingcircusfreak New commenter

    We've discussed this lots of times here, haven't we? And I think probably we have the same set of replies every time. This one is the 'Who cares about the law? I'll do what I want' reply.

    As someone who has, not too long ago, taken over an absolutely shambolic department and inherited virtually no resources (for courses for exam boards I've never taught before), the 'screw you' attitude of my predecessor did not endear him to me. Remember that whenever you apply a scorched earth policy there's usually a totally innocent person who has to take over from you, working under the same circumstances as you were.

    FCF
     
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  10. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter


    You might try reading what I ACTUALLY said before commenting...or is that just TOO much trouble? o_O
     
  11. Jolly_Roger15

    Jolly_Roger15 Star commenter

    If you started teaching in the 'work sheet' and 'work book' era, when resources were on paper, resources were more readily shared, as they would have been difficult for any one teacher to keep them to themselves. Now that many resources are stored electronically, it is easier to squirrel them away.

    There used to be 'advisory teachers' who went around schools 'sharing resurces'. They wee known as 'Rob All My Resources'. We used to joke that if you worked in one LEA long enough, an advisory teacher would hand you some of your own work sheets; suitably anonymised, of course.
     
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  12. grumpydogwoman

    grumpydogwoman Star commenter

    They are not YOUR resources!

    Stop thinking of it like that and you won't go far wrong. You're paid to teach English at 'A' level. Well, plan something to do then. Which may include resources. A website is a resource. Don't tell me you pay for every website you look at or use in your lessons. The people who built the website either monetised it by allowing ads or it's the BBC and that's paid for by the licence-payer or whatever!

    And you're paid by your academy or LA.

    You ever used a newspaper as a history resource? I bet you didn't pay them anything for it. You might have picked up a Metro on the train. Do you go round agonising about using someone else's work? I bet you don't. They were paid to write it. You've been paid to write stuff too.

    So stop bleating on about how it's yours! You wrote it. Designed it. Big deal. You got paid. If you want more money? Tutor. Sell stuff.
     
  13. Piranha

    Piranha Star commenter

    No, I was late to join the profession - started my GTP in September 2003. I stayed at the same school until I retired. In my NQT year, I had to teach the whole of the AS level Decision Maths module, having never studied the subject at school or university. A colleague gave me her entire set of IWB flipcharts which saved me a huge amount of work.

    Because of this culture, most the department saved their resources on our shared drive. The job of sorting them was not an easy one! You could also rely on our HoD to mention this sort of thing on our PM reviews, thus adding more justification for moving up the scale, especially onto UPS.
     
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  14. Jolly_Roger15

    Jolly_Roger15 Star commenter

    @Piranha: Sorry, I did not mean 'you' in particular. (I should have used Princess Ann's 'one'). You were fortunate to work in a department that had a culture of sharing and co-operation.
     
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  15. grumpydogwoman

    grumpydogwoman Star commenter

    Have people ever just asked?

    Don't expect anyone to approach you and waft stuff at you. Tell them you admire their whatever-it-is and can you use it, please.

    I never met a teacher in 32 years who didn't share and I taught in a LOT of schools.
     
  16. Piranha

    Piranha Star commenter

    No need to apologise - I wasn't in the last bit offended. As a generalisation, you may well be right.
     
  17. Stiltskin

    Stiltskin Lead commenter

    Teachmeets used to be very popular a while back (they are still around, just not as many), where the whole point was share ideas/resources.
     
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  18. sparklepig2002

    sparklepig2002 Star commenter

    At one point I worked in three schools. I did not make three sets of resources. I made one set and used them at all three schools. Who would own those?
    As it happened, ownership was never an issue.
     
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  19. Piranha

    Piranha Star commenter

    Technically, the school where you were working when you made each one. In practice, ownership would not be an issue, as you say. You would leave a copy behind to help your colleagues and take your own copy. Strictly against the rules, but any reasonable person would be happy with such a minor breach.
     
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  20. BelleDuJour

    BelleDuJour Star commenter

    They are/are not your resources.
    Nothing to stop you taking them to a new school but really you should share them...........it's in the spirit of the profession, and kind if nothing else.
    Of course this all came up when TES started letting people sell 'their' resources on here. Can you sell something that belongs to your school.
    Having said that no school has ever sued over resouces AFAIK.
     

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