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Shaking Hands

Discussion in 'Education news' started by Iftilsi, Jun 7, 2016.

  1. monicabilongame

    monicabilongame Star commenter

    Why, thank you - although you know nothing about me.

    Which you cannot know as I have not told you what my attitude towards them is...

    Something I had already gleaned from your posts - I just would like you to spell it out as you hint a lot and question a lot, but don't seem prepared to state your opinion in unambiguous terms.

    Hey ho. Moving on...
  2. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

  3. monicabilongame

    monicabilongame Star commenter

    OMG that's EXACTLY what I thought you looked/sounded like!

  4. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

  5. Goodsis

    Goodsis New commenter

    Terrorism and sexual grooming is nothing to do with Masajid, Imams and Muslim schools. Those Muslim youths who have been involved in terrorism and sexual grooming are the product of western education system which makes a man stupid, selfish and corrupt. They find themselves cut off from their cultural heritage, literature and poetry. They suffer from identity crises and I blame British schooling.

    Let us carry on the debate in the spirit of a healthy and an edifying exchange of ideas. I have nothing against Muslims. However, you cannot point the finger at western education. Western education makes a man stupid, selfish and corrupt? I can see that you are biased against western education. Every curriculum has its pros and cons but compared to many other curricula British schooling encourages global citizenship, multiculturalism. British schools have students from different parts of the world and I am sure that each student is treated equally. But then once again, I do not have hard facts and case studies at my disposal.
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  6. lunarita

    lunarita Senior commenter

    Well yes, sometimes I suppose

  7. Mr_Ed

    Mr_Ed Established commenter

    "So who was the terrorist?" Well, "One man's terrorist, is another mans freedom fighter.... "

    see: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0246460/

    "Communism lived on" - NO it didn't, well maybe in Cuba it did, but that's about it.....

    Anyway, moving on, you also state:

    "Muslim children need state funded Muslim schools with Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school."

    So are you saying, because I'm a kafear, I can't be a good role model to young, Muslim school-children? If so, that is incredibly offensive! (I'm surprised it was not actually censored by the moderators, to be honest).

    By-the-way, when you say state funded Muslim schools - which state do you mean, if it's Saudi Arabia, then fine, but if you mean Britain, then you my friend, are misguided.

    P.S. If your lengthy, self-obsessed and quite ludicrous posts are indicative of the wider Muslim community, then I can understand exactly why the 'Leave' campaign may win the referendum, next week. For example, you started this with: "For a female teacher to demand from male students (children or teens) that they shake her hand against their will is an act of domination." Yet you follow it up with: "A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. The whole world belongs to Muslims. " Well that sounds like domination to me, WORLD DOMINATION!

    You and your 'brothers' are just getting a little bit too big for your boots e.g. http://toprightnews.com/muslims-demand-that-offensive-crosses-be-removed-from-catholic-school/
    and it is dangerous. Why not try to assimilate, instead.
    Last edited: Jun 15, 2016
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  8. monicabilongame

    monicabilongame Star commenter

    Psychologically speaking, religious or ideological attempts to impose one's own views, practices and beliefs on others usually stem from an arrogant conviction that you are right and everyone else is wrong, and you have to make everyone be the same as you. And this in turn usually stems from a secret fear that actually you are not right but you are too scared to consider the alternatives, and so you have to make everyone the same as you so as to bolster up your own insecure position.

    People who are secure in their own beliefs have much less of a need to feel a part of the crowd, as they have nothing to prove to anyone and are not threatened by those who believe differently.
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  9. SteveKindle

    SteveKindle Occasional commenter

    Faith isn't the same as certainty. Faith is the opposite of certainty.

    When you say "...attempts to impose one's own views, practices and beliefs on others usually stem from an arrogant conviction that you are right and everyone else is wrong..", you're not discussing religion, you're discussing the worst excesses of the human condition.

    Like Swiss politicians who insist they're right that forcing people to shake hands is anti-sexist.
  10. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    'Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.'

    (Hebrews 11:1.)

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