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Secondary into primary teaching.. can it be done?

Discussion in 'Primary' started by rbsrm100, Feb 25, 2012.

  1. As a secondary Physics (with Maths at KS3) teacher, how easy would it be to change to primary? How would one go about it? Are there conversion courses or is it just a case of going to interviews? Any advice gratefully received!
     
  2. As a secondary Physics (with Maths at KS3) teacher, how easy would it be to change to primary? How would one go about it? Are there conversion courses or is it just a case of going to interviews? Any advice gratefully received!
     
  3. Msz

    Msz Established commenter

    If you have QTS you can in theory teach in any key stage so yes it is a matter of persauding a head to give you a chance. At the moment there aren't many primary jobs advertised.
    Can I ask why you want to change?
    Can you teach reading etc?
     
  4. hammie

    hammie Lead commenter

    I have just done it! After many years of trying.
    First I went back to my university BeD Hons tutors (or their followers, as most have retired or died) There is no official transfer method. There is a shortage of Maths/science secondary teachers so the govt has no interest in moving any to primary (ignore all the talk about shortage of men or maths specialist in primary)
    I queried working as a TA, they sadi best not as you will only see one class or school's approach. So eventually i bit the bullet, resigned and worked on supply. After asking the supply teachers locally i was told there was loads of work! I did gradually get more work, One agency listened to what i wanted and gave me placements in all sectors from nursery (agh!) to upper VIth.
    I have been financially crippled since. BUT I gradually built up the work, then got a term 4 days a week in one of my fave primary schools as they failed the NQT and asked me to take the class with an experienced colleague returing from maternity doing the 5th day.
    It worked well, they then gave me the same deal for this academic year. and i did supply for the other day.
    It continued to work well. The head offered me a permanent deal yesterday, for at least 3 days, probably 5 once the new year's budget is set.
    So yes you can do it, it is thoroughly rewarding (but very very hard work)
    bear in mind that i apllied for a job at a local inner city primary where i had worked on supply succesfully, they had more than 60 applicants for one post!
    good luck!
     
  5. CarrieV

    CarrieV Lead commenter

    here we go!
    Technically all you have to do is go along to the interview and be successfull, there are no "conversion" courses ( that I'm aware of) simply because a PGCE means you are qualified to teach any age group.
    BUT
    you have no experience of teaching across the whole curriculum, and no way to show that you could,
    you will be expensive ( presumably you are not an NQT) but inexperienced, so Heads will tend to go either for experience-in which case they might overlook the cost, or for cost-in which case they would need to overlook the lack of experience. Unfortunately you fall foul of both!
    you will be up against qualified and experienced primary specialists
    there is an oversupply of primary teachers in most areas.

    So your chances of being successful would be slim! You would need to have relevant experience in primary-through supply teaching or transition work, to even get a sniff of a post!
    Sorry but just as you would expect a primary trained teacher to struggle against secondary colleagues for a post in a secondary school, you would come out well down the list in Primary ( although it's not impossible to do as someone will be along soon to explain!)
     
  6. CarrieV

    CarrieV Lead commenter

    hammie got in before me!
     
  7. I've taught English at KS3 and GCSE (1 year) as well as tutoring primary age kids in literacy.

    I've noticed that kids are often held back at GCSE level by basic numeracy and literacy issues. I think I'd enjoy trying to tackle that at KS2 level. Not that I think it'd be easy... I think you guys have it harder than secondary teachers with all the subjects you have to be able to teach, all differentiated so many ways..
     
  8. hammie

    hammie Lead commenter

    Hah!
    incidentally I spent severla years teaching half the curriculum to year 7 pupils as a whole school attempt to ease the transition, it certainly helped prevent some of the "naughty" (boys generally) get away with as much of the silly behaviour before they got picked up!
    One september we arrived to be told it had been scrapped (timetabling difficulties) and we were back to just one subject. I missed the variety and found the return to the one subject grind frankly boring. Done it, bought several t shirts over many years.
     
  9. Sounds like quite an ordeal! but not impossible.. that's a brilliant answer. Good food for thought. So supply and then hope for the best! Thanks Hammy!
     
  10. CarrieV

    CarrieV Lead commenter

    That's part of the problem! You would need to convince a head that you could teach Maths, Science and English ( presumably not a problem) but also Art <u>and</u> Music <u>and </u>Re <u>and</u> PSHE <u>and</u> MFL <u>and</u> DT and not only KS2 but KS1 and even Reception!
    Have you had any experience in a primary school, before you make up your mind that Primary is where you want to be I would try to see what it is actually like!
     
  11. Msz

    Msz Established commenter

    congratulations!!
     
  12. hammie

    hammie Lead commenter

    thank you! our youngest got his acceptance to train as a mental nurse last night too, so we are all off for a celebratory curry!
     
  13. hammie

    hammie Lead commenter

    middle school was my initial plan, then they all closed around here, purely to fit in with the national cuuriculum SAts etc.
    Sahme because I stronlgy feel that yr 7 and 8 quickly learn poor attitude and behaviour in many secondary schools, especially where they are mixed on the same playgrounds as 16 year olds (very frightening for some!)
     
  14. paulie86

    paulie86 New commenter

    I agree completely Hammie and the 5 and 6 benefit from specialist rooms and teachers. I am so sad that I will no longer be a middle school teacher from September. [​IMG]
     
  15. I just wanted to say thanks for all your posts! That's really useful for me in terms of thinking things through ^_^
     

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