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Secondary doing Primary cover and Vica Versa

Discussion in 'Supply teaching' started by VelvetChalk, May 30, 2011.

  1. VelvetChalk

    VelvetChalk New commenter


    I'd just like everyone views on this as I seem to hear/see about so many secondary teachers
    doing Primary supply (never heard of it the other way round but it must exist). Unless an agency has no other choice I think its quite ridiculous for secondary top be covering primary, especially KS1 and Foundation stage. The curriculum and classroom management is a very different and while a secondary teacher is probably more capable than unqualified staff I am a little shocked to see how common place it is. Especially with so many primary supply staff on agencies books Id hate to think us primary lot are missing out on work due to a (commonly but not always) less specialist individual. Before I get leaped on I have seen a few secondary supply teachers in schools and have been dissapointed. I would never dream of teaching a secondary age group, even year 7.




     
  2. VelvetChalk

    VelvetChalk New commenter


    I'd just like everyone views on this as I seem to hear/see about so many secondary teachers
    doing Primary supply (never heard of it the other way round but it must exist). Unless an agency has no other choice I think its quite ridiculous for secondary top be covering primary, especially KS1 and Foundation stage. The curriculum and classroom management is a very different and while a secondary teacher is probably more capable than unqualified staff I am a little shocked to see how common place it is. Especially with so many primary supply staff on agencies books Id hate to think us primary lot are missing out on work due to a (commonly but not always) less specialist individual. Before I get leaped on I have seen a few secondary supply teachers in schools and have been dissapointed. I would never dream of teaching a secondary age group, even year 7.




     
  3. madenglishgirl

    madenglishgirl New commenter

    I think that if a qualified supply can't be found that day it is far preferable to have a well experienced HTLA/CS take the class instead of a secondary trained person. I have worked in secondary schools for 12 years, in different guises and I can't imagine being in a KS1 setting...I mean, I have a 3 yr old but I know zilch about ankle biters!
     
  4. Lara mfl 05

    Lara mfl 05 Star commenter

    I think differently- it depends on one's experience.
    People often ask me what I teach & my answer is always 'Children/pupils!'. Learning is learning whatever age/stage/subject.
    Trained on a Jun/Sec course where our training included teaching all subjects at Primary level & 1 TP teaching our specialist subject has provided me with a wide knowlegde base, as did my own schooling which ensured everyone had a wide range of subjects right up through A level- we had lessons for our 'General Subjects A-level'. Then I have experience of mu own children's schooling 7 a very wide experience on supply I have done nursery to O level at points in my career! I know my best teaching comes from a certain age range & certain subjects but I can 'fill in' for short periods of time in more subjects as |I know who to ask for advice & my general knowldege of teaching.
    I may not be your average supply, but I have had repeat work in'difficult schools' who generally wouldn't use supplies as they felt it better to use known HLTAs who knew the students, and a lot of long-term supply cover for absent colleagues offered after I've become known in a school.
    Mind you if I'd only taught a few years or was an NQT (even an experienced mature) I don't know that I could offer the expertise.
     
  5. darkness

    darkness New commenter

    Exactly. I am trained secondary, but also have a great deal of experience in primary and so work both. You could have a HLTA or CS take the class instead, but for how long? A whole week? Doing all the things the teacher would? My experience tells me they are often not happy about doing it and there is a reason they sometimes only want to be HLTAs and CSs, the hope of not having to do the full workload.
     
  6. teacha

    teacha Occasional commenter

    I am a secondary teacher but do regular supply at a primary school. I am certainly not taking work away from the primary teachers on the agency's books, as it is a tough school, and they really do struggle to find anyone to work there. As a secondary teacher, I am used to much worse behaviour, so it is a walk in the park for me. I only cover KS2 mind you, although I have taught KS1 at other primary schools, and am happy to do so.
     
  7. I completey agree with teacha on this one [​IMG]
     
  8. darkness

    darkness New commenter

    Not all, and people should check the institutions where they study for QTS. I used to think the same thing, however, I have noted that some indeed have an age specified on their QTS meaning they can only teach this specific age group. Mine stipulates I completed the secondary PGCE, however, there is no age specified for whom I can teach. I have encountered some which do however and is noted by the GTCs
     

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