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Scotland make smacking illegal. They must be crime free.

Discussion in 'Personal' started by delmamerchant, Oct 20, 2017.

  1. delmamerchant

    delmamerchant Established commenter

    What annoys me about this is that there are laws that cover assault, safeguardung in schools and now smacking a child could result in being imprisoned with hardened criminals
    Nanny and state comes to mind.
     
  2. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

    Being discussed on R5Live at the moment (until 10.00)
     
  3. Flere-Imsaho

    Flere-Imsaho Star commenter

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-41678797

    Given that this is not yet law, I'm amazed that the OP knows the sentencing guidelines for anyone convicted.

    The news report above gives more accurate details than the OP. The part that stands out for me is that this proposal is designed to give children the same protection from assault that adults currently have. It's easy to toss terms like "nanny state" into a discussion but perhaps a little harder to explain why there should be more legal consequences for hitting an adult than for hitting a child.
     
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  4. Didactylos4

    Didactylos4 Star commenter

    As I am now of an age where the responsibility for disciplining children is almost entirely the responsibility of the younger generation I am not going to enter this debate.
    However I should point out that, until this law goes through, "smacking" is not legally considered to be assault in the UK.
    Whether it should be or not I will leave you all to argue about
     
  5. BillyBobJoe

    BillyBobJoe Established commenter

    Given the lack of rational arguments from the pro-violence lobby I'll just have to assume they like hitting children.
     
  6. Didactylos4

    Didactylos4 Star commenter

    .... and so it begins
     
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  7. harsh-but-fair

    harsh-but-fair Star commenter

    Oh dear.
     
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  8. Flere-Imsaho

    Flere-Imsaho Star commenter

    I think it began with the OP, no?
     
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  9. Didactylos4

    Didactylos4 Star commenter

    Possibly. The responses were certainly inevitable from then on.
    I suspect though, that the real blame lies with the Scottish Govt.... ;):D
     
  10. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    Following the logic of the thread title... is there a hierarchy of crime?

    So if a murder has occurred does that mean the police should de-prioritise a theft? Should the police not pursue speeding drivers if a sexual assault has occurred... interesting...
     
  11. Flere-Imsaho

    Flere-Imsaho Star commenter

    The Scottish Greens...
     
  12. red_observer

    red_observer Star commenter

    I don’t think hitting anyone solves anything.
     
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  13. coffeekid

    coffeekid Star commenter

  14. grumpydogwoman

    grumpydogwoman Star commenter

    There is no justification.

    "But I smacked it to stop it crossing the road!"

    No, grabbing it by the hand before it stepped off the pavement is what stopped it crossing the road.

    Smacking it might make it more cautious in future. But so might talking to it. Try explaining. Or put it on reins.
     
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  15. coffeekid

    coffeekid Star commenter

    I have no qualms about being anti-smacking. I was smacked/hit with items/assaulted by my mother as a child and young teenager and I still feel affected by it. I know my big sister does too. The rage never goes away. I've never once hit my own kid.
     
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  16. coffeekid

    coffeekid Star commenter

    And this is me as a relatively privileged and well adjusted member of society. What about those people who never had the luck that I eventually had?
    I think there are some grey areas here, and no, people who give their children a light smack on the bum shouldn't be criminalised, but I can't help feeling glad that anti-smacking is going to be law in my country.
     
  17. grumpydogwoman

    grumpydogwoman Star commenter

    Hitting is hitting is hitting.

    If you wouldn't do it to your partner or a stranger then don't do it to a child.
     
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  18. Mangleworzle

    Mangleworzle Star commenter

    I certainly hope so.

    Imminent terrorist threat - other stuff gets put on hold.

    Someone murders my next door neighbour - less effort put into cyclists riding without lights*.

    * assuming it is possible to put in less than no effort.

    I agree entirely. There was a phone in on the radio earlier, tbh I thought it already was illegal and don't feel compelled to make it legal so, yes it should be illegal.

    I've known several children I taught who were regularly smacked by their parents and who were a ringing endorsement for the ineffectiveness of doing so. We didn't smack our two and never had any behavioural problems with them at all. Smacking if anything is indicative of an ineffective parent.
     
  19. Mangleworzle

    Mangleworzle Star commenter

    You often hear the argument "x - y - z happened to me and look at me - I'm alright".

    There was one man who called into the radio show who said he and his sisters were regularly smacked as children and grew up thinking that hitting others was a way of resolving problems, something that caused them all problems in later life that they had to learn to rise above.

    I was thinking of the other oft quoted excuse, the anti-danger-smack. I have a small workshop attached to the garage, if Mrs. M. was in there with me and about to do something that might cause her to lose a finger in the next second, I'd shout, or grab her hand/arm to stop it, I wouldn't dream of a smack, why do people think it's ok with children.
     
  20. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

    'Grabbing by the hand' could fall foul of the 'no hitting' law, according to some contributors on R5Live this morning....
     

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