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Schools to return with no social distancing

Discussion in 'News' started by PeterQuint, Jun 25, 2020.

  1. PeterQuint

    PeterQuint Lead commenter

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  2. BillyBobJoe

    BillyBobJoe Lead commenter

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  3. agathamorse

    agathamorse Senior commenter

    The bubbles in secondary will be entire year groups, with different breaks and arrival and departure times. No idea how it's going to work.
     
  4. PeterQuint

    PeterQuint Lead commenter

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  5. 50sman

    50sman Lead commenter

    Social distancing will apply to students on the way to and from school, just not in school. The new catch phrase in school is Catch it, Kill it, Bin it (an oldie but a goodie).

    All we need to do now is build the rest of the country out of the same materials that schools are built of as it is obvious now TP that government policy is that all school buildings are COVID resistant and repellant!
     
  6. PeterQuint

    PeterQuint Lead commenter

    Amazingly, TES News still hasn’t picked up the story.
     
  7. Catgirl1964

    Catgirl1964 Established commenter

    So social distancing to be maintained where possible everywhere in society except schools? Schools are a workplace so the same rules need to be applied here as in any other workplace. Unions need to emphasise this to the government. All school employees have the same rights as any other employees.
     
  8. jonnymarr

    jonnymarr Occasional commenter

    Good to see people starting to acknowledge the logistical problems, but, in secondary, bubbles of whole year groups are still impossible for all sorts of reasons. Full social mixing across the whole school is still my best bet. Either that or a gov U turn on all pupils Mon-Fri, full days.
     
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  9. pair_of_argyles

    pair_of_argyles Occasional commenter

    Much as I stated a couple of weeks back.
    Sadly, schools are still way down the line of "important stuff we have to deal because our donors and the back benchers and are giving us stick about making money'

    Also I think it has only just dawned on Dom & Co. that you would have to provide more buildings and more staff if you carry on with any sensible measures

    But when a few pupils do die and a few old members of staff pop their clogs - as they most assuredly will. It will of course all be laid at the feet of the cowardly unions and the bone idle teachers for failing to follow the guidance* properly

    *this keeps being promised but never really appears
     
  10. runestone08

    runestone08 New commenter

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  11. hhhh

    hhhh Star commenter

    Didn't the unions say that you don't have to go in if you think it's unsafe? Get in touch with your union. No parent I know would dream of sending their child in under such 'safety guidance' anyway. Teenagers are really going to be safe, aren't they? What happened to BOjo telling people to still wfh if possible? Most (not all, I know) teenagers could quite easily work at home, leaving schools for the younger ones/students with additional needs.
     
  12. hhhh

    hhhh Star commenter

    In any other workplace, are you expected to tolerate swearing/racism/sexism/violence? The trouble is too many people will just go along with it. Most parents would support us, I'd have thought...
     
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  13. ACOYEAR8

    ACOYEAR8 Star commenter

    We saw this coming.
     
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  14. Jazzz

    Jazzz New commenter

    It was announced in Scotland, on Tuesday, that we’re all going back on the 11th August with no social distancing in schools. You’d almost think there was no pandemic!

    Annoying that we’ve spent the past month in virtual meetings about how to socially distance pupils, organise which groups getting taught on which days, staggered starts/breaks/lunches, rearrange classrooms, work on risk assessments, attend webinars about blended learning etc etc and now this sudden u-turn.

    Just be glad if you’re in England that you don’t start till September and can watch the guinea pigs in Scotland first!
     
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  15. jonnymarr

    jonnymarr Occasional commenter

    Year group bubbles:
    1. Transport?
    2. Break & Lunch & corridors & communal areas ( 2 x 6/7 x staggered breaks? )
    3. Specialist rooms ( Food Tech / workshops / labs / IT / etc )?
    4. Staffing - no bubble / limiting of social contact at all for staff, I assume? = cross-infection via the staff?
    5. Fire Drill / safety??

    I can think of some theoretical ways to reduce the impact the above, but they''re not real-world practical solutions ( money + time + staff ). Maybe people brighter than me can see solutions I can't?
    As I keep saying, full social mixing is the likeliest outcome AFAICS / or social distancing in name only.
     
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  16. Morninglover

    Morninglover Star commenter

    Surely it's always been the case for 99% of schools that a full return (all pupils, full timetable) means no social distancing, and no cleansing of shared areas/facilities between usage.

    Anyone who has ever worked in a school can see that, can't they?
     
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  17. Catgirl1964

    Catgirl1964 Established commenter

    But that doesn’t mean it is the right way to go about it. There will be many more outbreaks in schools in this scenario in Sept.
     
  18. PeterQuint

    PeterQuint Lead commenter

    Minimum 30 minutes for lunch.

    Minimum 5 minutes ‘buffer’ so that there’s no crossover. Minimum 5 minutes hand washing time *.

    That’s three and a quarter hours at lunch.

    Breaks? 5 x 15 minutes + 5 x 5 minutes hand washing + 4 x 5 minute buffers. That’s 2 hours.

    So that’s a total of 5 hours 15 minutes of the day just taken up with break and lunch. So start breaks at 9:45am and finish at 3:00pm.

    * I’m being generous. 200 in a year group. 100 boys and 100 girls. Say you can get 4 in washing hands at once. 20 seconds each, so it’ll be 30 seconds including getting in and out (and I’m being even more generous there), that’s 12 and a half minutes.
     
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  19. ACOYEAR8

    ACOYEAR8 Star commenter

    The Whitehall wordsmiths will have a good time with the wording of ' social distancing'
    Schools are not essentially ' social ' environments, hence the idea that ' distancing' will not be needed.
     
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  20. pair_of_argyles

    pair_of_argyles Occasional commenter

    The reality is that the DfE and the government don't care. Schools are just another problem they want to get rid of. They will do as little as possible to help and provide no extra funding for cleaning; extra staff etc.

    The guidance, which although promised last Wednesday, will apparently appear "next week" - Friday 5 pm probably.

    There'll be no detail and it will be full of phrases such as adequate facilities; appropriate spacing; suitable provision; reasonable steps etc etc.
    Gav will step up and say something along the lines of
    "...we have a such a great range of diverse and thriving school communities that it would be detrimental to dictate how they should individually address these issues. Instead we shall leave it up to Heads to ensure the safety of their communities is met in ways appropriate to their needs"

    Then a lot of blah blah waffle about giving billions to some large conglomerate CEO - sorry spending billions on a catch-up program
    Then some click bait epithet about ensuring "Schools are Safe" for all or some such

    Virus Thrives - A Few Kids Die

    and on we go
     
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