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Schools giving staff days off for birthdays and xmas shopping...are some people on the same planet?

Discussion in 'Primary' started by The Red Heron, Jan 20, 2011.

  1. anon2799

    anon2799 New commenter

    School has to pay a supply £200 a day. Waste of money. I think it's financial mismanagement.
  2. mprimaryz

    mprimaryz New commenter

    Everyone covers for everyone. Read people! Class get split between other classes and so the £200 a day for supply is not needed. Not a very good head if you couldn't work that one out!
  3. anon2799

    anon2799 New commenter

    Strictly against the workload agreement. Not a very good head if they let you do it, and not a very good teacher if you're prepared to ignore T&C when it suits.
  4. Milgod

    Milgod Established commenter

    We do get time in lieu, its called 13 weeks holiday. If you are working 70 hours a week for 39 weeks a year then you really need to go on some type of time management course.
    As for your class being split and lessons falling off the wagon, not exactly the best examples of a teacher who wants the best for their class.

    If life is so hard being a teacher then I think it is probably time to go and do something else. I worked in different private sector jobs and never got an extra day off. Although we did get the X-mas party paid for so I suppose that makes all the difference.
  5. anon2799

    anon2799 New commenter

    Hmm, a £30 meal and a few glasses of wine vs 13 weeks paid holiday a year. Now let me think.....
  6. flickaz

    flickaz New commenter

    Our TAs get the half day too. I'm lucky, I have a class of 17 (on a good day) and the class next door has 18. We put our classes together with 1 teacher and 2 TAs so both teachers can have some time out. The TAs usually take their afternoon sometime in the last week when school descend into Christmas madness anyway.
  7. flickaz

    flickaz New commenter

    Sorry haven't figured out how to quote more than one message in my reply.,.
    So you're saying you work your children all day every day right up until 3:30 on the day they break up for the Christmas holidays? Glad I'm not a child in your class.
  8. mprimaryz

    mprimaryz New commenter

    Here here. I do believe that in their school 'A Christmas Carol' is on the curriculum. Bah humbug! As for T&Cs... you show me a school that sticks to them. How much do you make your staff do (or expect them to do) that falls outside the T&Cs. Surely, if you were that dedicated you'd be off improving your own practice not criticising mine! Let me guess, you're another example of a headteacher who came into the post quite a while ago and could not for one second carry out the everyday tasks that your teachers and staff (and every other bloody teacher) do today! And for the record I work in an outstanding school. Our results are way above national average and guess what the kids love it. I guess it pays to keep the staff happy eh?!

    As for time in lieu, that plonker who mentioned it's called 13 weeks holiday a year... Opening the text book at page 1 does not count as teaching. (That's me guessing how good a teacher you are).
  9. Milgod

    Milgod Established commenter

    You seem very defensive. Maybe because you know you are a little bit in the wrong?

    Not sure what your textbook reference is all about. I work in the holidays, I work evenings and weekends too. I don't work so much as to wipe out my entire 13 weeks as some teachers would have you believe.
    When I mentioned Christmas. I agree that the timetable is severly disrupted, that's why adding another day off for shopping is something that isn't needed. I take it you switch off come December 1st. So you will have even less planning and marking to do.
    The children love being in my class as well, but this isn't a pissing contest.
  10. I suppose there are those people who live in a black and white world. You have a contract, you stick to it. You turn up for work at the right time, and leave at the right time. You don't work more hours than you are supposed to. Your employer doesn't ask you to work more hours than you have to. Brilliant.
    And then there are those for whom the world is grey and the boundaries blur. They might have some extra work they'd like to get done and stay a bit longer than their finish time. Maybe they'd like to spend a bit longer on some planning to make sure it works for all the children in their care. Perhaps the school can't find all the volunteers it needs for that school disco/fete and you volunteer some time. There might be some specialist knowledge that you can use for a school club, and you work during lunch hour to run it. Maybe a colleague is ill, and the supply teacher didn't get time to finish all the marking, so you've got to get it finished and it takes up the remainder of your evening, and you miss putting the kids to bed, and your partner doesn't get to speak to you.
    If you don't want to take up the offer of a day / half day off - don't take it.
    If you disagree with it being on offer, then ask the HT why it is being offered (I'm sure they will have reasons that they have discussed with the governors)
    If you want it, but don't get offered it, either talk to the HT or switch to a school that does.
    If you get offered it, and want to take it, do it without guilt.
    Fundamentally, yes, the taxpayer does fund it to some degree, but it does show goodwill to staff and creates a good feeling to those who are offered it. Maybe it is value for money by avoiding payment for emergency cover when staff finally succumb to stress and are off long term sick (and I think we all know of colleagues that has happened to), or are possibly so stretched for time, they (shock horror) bunk off for the day.
    Sure, some of us are made of stronger stuff and don't need these airy fairy offerings. The rest of us are only human.
    If you feel very strongly about it, then report it to the LEA. Don't criticise those who take up the offer like they are some sort of parasite.
    HT's should know their staff well enough to know if this offer would benefit them. They should also know if the school could afford it. This world isn't fair, and not all people will have this perk.
    I very much doubt that there is any SMT that would allow this practise to continue if it meant staff would lose their jobs due to funding issues.
    remember, not all schools are created equal.
    and as a last comment, as I know it'll get a reaction.... it all sounds a bit like sour grapes to me.......

  11. anon2799

    anon2799 New commenter

    just for the record. Staff at my school are well treated ( see my earlier post), I still teach ( even though the school is large enough to not require me to, and I've been judged outstanding by 2 las and in 9 ofsted inspections.
    Still, if you're happy to squander your school budget, don't come running to me when you're made redundant because the books don't balance.

  12. What has that got to do with this discussion?
  13. anon2799

    anon2799 New commenter

    I think as Milgod said, some posters think it's a pissing contest!
    I'm sure we could all quote our excellent statistics.
    The fact is we're paid to work 195 days, we get 170 days off each year, if someone can't fit a spot of Christmas shopping into those 170 days, they need to work on their time management

    As I said in my earlier post, work life balance is important, it needn't cost the school budget a penny.
  14. ilovesooty

    ilovesooty Star commenter

    Nothing, but I don't suppose it will stop the poster in question from making sweeping assumptions about others and hurling insults around.

    As curlygirly says: I hope she'll feel as justified in her stance if her school suffers a budget shortfall and redundancies are rolled out.
    And if I were a parent and found out that paid days for shopping were happening in my child's school, I'd be asking the governors and the LA to justify it.
  15. WolfPaul

    WolfPaul New commenter

    Methinks you are feeling a tad guilty, and justifiably so, given your defence of your school's policy of wasting its budget on paying staff to go shopping. If ever I needed an example of how the last government's increase in expenditure was misused, then I don't have to look far...
  16. Msz

    Msz Established commenter

    yes I read they get split but wondered what happens to them as in teaching/learning. Split across other classes - same year group? - lots of year groups? - same topics/units?
    It's probably why I'm not a head ...

  17. WolfPaul

    WolfPaul New commenter

    As a matter of interest, what do you tell your class the day before. "Sorry kids, you have to be split up tomorrow into other classes, because I'm going shopping" perhaps?
  18. Erm.... since when did any of us have to justify our personal life to the children? We point out what they'll be doing the next day, and who with.
  19. anon2799

    anon2799 New commenter

    The point is, it isn't your personal time. It's school time. When you're paid to work.
  20. Clearly Mr Primary is quite insane and doesnt need to be replied to I wouldnt have thought. The simple facts of havinf 170 days off to do the shopping is one I cant get past (esp as most LEA break up 17th/18th every year. I dont know how anybody can seriously with a straight face justify it.

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