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Schools closed throughout Hong Kong

Discussion in 'Teaching abroad' started by msmillreef, Nov 13, 2019.

  1. msmillreef

    msmillreef New commenter

    Getting pretty hairy here. All universities are closed too and some staying closed till end of December. Very worrying.
     
  2. the hippo

    the hippo Lead commenter Community helper

    How long before Beijing sends in the troops? This cannot go on forever.
     
  3. msmillreef

    msmillreef New commenter

    They're already here - Most of the riot police are from the mainland.
     
  4. amysdad

    amysdad Established commenter

    Deng Xiaoping suggested to Margaret Thatcher, at a point when the negotiations of the handover got a bit hairy, that he could just send in the troops and take HK easily. Thatcher replied that, yes, he could, but the effect internationally would be to shut off China's trade just as it was opening; and that it would be very easy for the banks and financial organisations which basically make up HK's economy and the bulk of its revenue to move to Singapore, London, or whatever. Deng paused, just long enough for Thatcher to realise her point had been made.

    I suspect that's why the troops haven't gone in, yet. The economic loss to China of HK's banking and financial sector will be great - not to mention the effect it would have on the economies in Beijing and Shanghai.
     
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  5. Beagles111

    Beagles111 New commenter

    Not really sure that Hong Kong means that much to the Chinese any more. Shanghai now makes more money for them than Hong Kong. Perhaps just post takeover this would have been a "thing" but not so much any more. One of the HK government officials made a statement the other day along the lines of " the rule of law is slipping away" protesters, be they agent provocateur or not are ramping up the pressure as seen by setting fire to someone backing the mainland government a couple of days ago. My friends who work there are no longer going out near Central, I reckon that the proper army will go in by this weekend with the backing of most Western governments.
     
  6. T0nyGT

    T0nyGT Lead commenter

    What would really happen if a new Tiananmen occurred? The rest of the world would look on in horror for a few days and then we'd all go back to talking about Brexit and buying iPhones.

    It's a depressing prospect, but there will be very little economic loss if China decides to crush the rebellion with lethal force.
     
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  7. Corvuscorax

    Corvuscorax Star commenter

    This is British business. We were promised a little over 30 years ago that nothing would change there for 100 years.
     
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  8. Karvol

    Karvol Occasional commenter

    What we were promised publicly and what was agreed in confidential documents may be two different things.

    The bottom line is, it is Chinese territory and they can do what they like there, sad as that may eventually be. No external government is going to send in troops, no one is going to break off trade relations and no one is going to argue too vehemently against the army going in.

    If you think this is somewhat unusual, look at what happened in Spain with the Catalan nationals. Too many countries with independence movements of their own do not want to send a message that they are on the side of the those wanting greater freedoms.
     
  9. Corvuscorax

    Corvuscorax Star commenter

    It is what the people of Hong Kong were promised. As British people.

    What is our position exactly if the people of Hong kong appeal to us directly for help?
     
  10. percy topliss

    percy topliss Occasional commenter

    The British Hong Kongers left a long time ago, they were ones who were eligible for British passports pre 1997. If the Chinese people now resident in Hong Kong appeal directly to the UK they will be ignored, not least because the UK no longer has any weight in international diplomacy, nor any army, air force or navy worth talking about. I really hope that your post is a joke because if you are an International teacher and expect any help from the UK consulate or embassy wherever you are you are going to be sorely disappointed.

    Depressingly yours,

    Perce
     
  11. T0nyGT

    T0nyGT Lead commenter

    My local IKEA is more help than the British Embassy here when it comes to assisting nationals
     
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  12. dumbbells66

    dumbbells66 Lead commenter

    which is sad when you see the amazing assistance that other nations give to their citizens abroad.
     
  13. clovispoint

    clovispoint Occasional commenter

    50 years. Not that it means anything now, the agreement has now been referred to as a 'historical document' by Chinese officials.

    Many expats (and teachers) are considering leaving. It is quite disturbing to see how the police are treating the general population. Authoritarian rule seems to be the order of the day, I'm not sure what the protests are for anymore but anger at the police action is a large part. Much suspicion, given the levels of policing, that the local force has been backed up by Mainland forces. The police are dishing out punishment beatings regularly along with pepper spray to verbal challenges.
     
  14. amysdad

    amysdad Established commenter

    The company to watch is HSBC. Not so long ago they were thinking about taking their HQ away from London and moving it to HK because of Brexit. It would be just as easy for them to do the reverse.

    It may not have a big economic effect, but it would be highly symbolic. And the Chinese are big on symbolism.
     
  15. amysdad

    amysdad Established commenter

    Does make you wonder though just how many of the student protesters now are actually student protesters and not people shipped in from the mainland to stir up trouble.....
     
  16. bhughesjob

    bhughesjob New commenter

    what's the feeling on the ground towards the protestors ? must be losing sympathy
     
  17. Corvuscorax

    Corvuscorax Star commenter

    my Hong Kong friends say quite the reverse. They have always had sympathy, now fast gaining active support
     
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  18. clovispoint

    clovispoint Occasional commenter

    I'm not sure how well reported this is elsewhere but the feeling is that the police are out of control and acting with impunity. They have removed their badges, have covered their faces and have harassed and assaulted the general public. Crowds of office workers have been tear gassed, speaking to the police can get you pepper sprayed, bus queues harassed as illegal assembly. School children were stopped and searched on Wednesday when schools were closed. There are numerous cases - well documented- of police battering the wrong people. There is a lot of suspicion that their numbers have been bolstered with mainland personnel.

    People are upset by the violence, disruption and destruction from the protestors but until the police are called to account accept the legitimacy of the protests.

    Police are being harangued as 'black cops' by general public, shouted at from the streets, shops and buildings. The government have no idea what they are doing. If they can get it wrong, they go for it.
     
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  19. StrangePanda

    StrangePanda Occasional commenter

    It's also interesting/understandable that there is a fair amount of tension between the police and the other emergency services.

    I think people are quite drained by all the challenges that the disruption brings, but also accepting of it. There is also, certainly amongst people I know, a sense of anxious anticipation about the unknown and potential intervention.
     
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