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School non-closures and Boris Johnson

Discussion in 'Education news' started by hbee1, Mar 13, 2020.

  1. hbee1

    hbee1 New commenter

    After Boris Johnson's announcements yesterday, the general feeling in my school is that he's not making the right decisions. We're all pretty appalled at how he said that 'families will lose loved ones' Deal with it, more or less. And how, unless you're hospitalised, you won't be tested for coronavirus.

    I was hoping to find out other teachers' general feelings.

    Do you think we should be closing schools, like Ireland, Denmark, Sweden, Germany, France...?
    Do you think Boris Johnson truly thinks he's doing the best for the UK? Do you think he's doing his best?

    Personally, I don't think he cares about the people of the UK at all. The whole 'people will die, deal with it' debacle only proves that to me.
     
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  2. harsh-but-fair

    harsh-but-fair Star commenter

    We've left the EU now. We're determined to do things differently.
     
  3. hbee1

    hbee1 New commenter

    Do you think this is a detriment to students and teachers and their families though? Has Boris made the right decision?
     
  4. phlogiston

    phlogiston Star commenter

    As far as I can see, there's no pathway that leads to zero fatalities.
    Is he being pragmatic and choosing what he thinks is the least harm pathway? Sometimes not caring too much is important when you have decisions like his to make.
    Is he wanting to avoid the mothers of his unspecified number of children turning up at no.10 saying "your turn, I've got important work to do "?
    I have a cough that I don't think is coronavirus. I'm happily catching up on books, dvds and social media, while I isolate for a week. If it gets worse I might need a test if it gets better, it doesn't really matter what it was. No point in clogging up the health service.
     
  5. tonymars

    tonymars Established commenter

    Yes I was shocked as well, but not really surprised. I got The Spaffer's number a long time ago. He doesn't give a monkeys about the people. Yes, I think school should be closed.

    For me so far, one of the most interesting things is how easily things can fall apart... if a significant number of people even miss a few days work.... they might fall behind with rent, be evicted, become homeless etc... Thinking back I'm not sure those in power ever gave a monkeys, only now the contempt is more blatant.
     
  6. phlogiston

    phlogiston Star commenter

    As far as I can see, and others are welcome to add.
    Pros of closing schools.
    Less mixing of children, so possibly less spreading of the disease.
    Less congestion in big towns

    Cons of closing schools.
    Many working parents will have child care issues including medics.
    Children may spend more time with older generations passing it on.
    Learning loss
    Loss of structured socialisation
    Poorer children may not be fed- no school dinners etc.
    Rise in crime as unsupervised children get bored
     
  7. JanE60

    JanE60 New commenter

    I worry that school closure would force valued medics to stay home with their kids. There would undoubtedly be loads of children hanging round supermarkets, potentially spreading infection, or left with grandparents. I'm prepared to listen to the health experts who aim to delay the peak of infection until the annual flu season is over and the NHS has increased capacity to care for sufferers. And I WISH people would stop panic-buying. Even heard that our local electrical superstore were low on freezers - some people actually buying an extra one to store bulk food!!!
     
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  8. WB

    WB Lead commenter

    Based on what science?
     
  9. Sally006

    Sally006 Senior commenter

    I totally share your sentiments about those statements. I find it odd that we are taking such a different approach to our European neighbours. They keep going on about kids being the least affected and it appears they want children to spread the disease as part of the “herding strategy”. What they seem to forget is that schools can only run if there are enough adults to run them. Staff will be getting sick, some very sick. A school without its staff cannot stay open. It appears we are expendable in this “experiment” they are gambling with. I fully accept that the medical professionals are also at risk but at least with them they will be thoroughly kitted out to protect themselves. I have got a mini hand sanitiser and a box of tissues!!!
     
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  10. install

    install Star commenter

    The UK is doing exactly the right thing imho - and far more strategically than other countries. It is accepting that many will get the virus , if they have not got it already. Millions of us may get Covid19 in the next few months but it's all about building up our immunity to it.
     
  11. afterdark

    afterdark Lead commenter

    A liar and a cheat. Cheats on his spouse, sacked for lying. Boris only ever does what is in Boris' interest. If that happens to be what is best for the UK then it will simply be an increadible coincidence. Boris is doing his best at satisfying his lusts.

    And this is what has brought Johnson to the fore of the Tory hateful, his brazen contempt for ordinary people.

    The grim reaper does not play favourites and when those closest to him or he himself is in line his lack of empathy will have played its part in his undoing. The irony today is that those more likely to have voted for this shambolic government are now more likely to die.
     
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  12. mrarjona

    mrarjona New commenter

    Agency workers that supply schools don't get calls, won't be able to pay rent, bills, food...am I supposed to self-isolate until they throw me out of my flat to become homeless in the outbreak?
     
  13. -Maximilian-

    -Maximilian- New commenter

    So, many companies are moving to a work at home model and most European schools are closed. Latest WHO advice: “The WHO director general, Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, said all possible action should be taken: “Not testing alone. Not contact tracing alone. Not quarantine alone. Not social distancing alone. Do it all.” Our Government does basically nothing - says we’re not testing people, don’t ring 111, and don’t go cruising if you’re old. Now that many bodies are cancelling events and implementing social distancing, it looks like the Government is starting a bit of a u-turn in terms of large gatherings. Boris is protecting the economy, not the people - the figures of the hit to GDP came out yesterday. I suspect many teachers will become ill and schools will have to close anyway. I worry for any older teachers and those with ill health, forced to work in the breeding ground for the virus, as this is the virus vehicle that schools will become.
     
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  14. install

    install Star commenter

    The Govt imho are working far more strategically than other countries. Chances are many of us already have the virus already. Older teachers if they show symptoms would phone in ill and isolate themselves. The biggest issue really is that too many people- when it comes to isolating themselves- may well not do it properly.

    Schools may well close- but it is too soon yet.
     
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  15. lizziescat

    lizziescat Star commenter

    I am certain that on the basis of past action Boris only acts in the interest of himself.
    However, in this case, he appears to have been persuaded to follow epidemiology expertise and advice. there is a need to manage the effects of the virus and that includes access to health care. This, I understand is one reason for trying ‘ to flatten the curve’ The expected peak in eg May will mean not enough capacity to cope hence the attempt to spread out the ‘peak’ so that there is care available for the life threatening cases. Schools seem to be the last of the places to be closed -ie the least vulnerable group and the knock on effect of healthcare workers, delivery drivers having to take time off.
    There is nothing stopping a school giving paid leave to any staff who are vulnerable, or providing soap, lessons in hand washing etc - if they care.
    This may of course assume a collaborative and imaginative approach and a move away from the ‘normal’ way of working.
     
    Last edited: Mar 14, 2020
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  16. JL48

    JL48 Star commenter

    Oh dear lord . . .

    It's this kind of antediluvian British exceptionalist thought that will lead the UK to winning the the country equivalent to the Darwin awards. When the hard right oldies on this forum start being hospitalised and turned away from life saving treatment - as they are at the moment in Italy - I will struggle to feel much sympathy.
     
  17. br0wnsugar

    br0wnsugar Occasional commenter

    Malthusian economics prevail unfortunately with Boris's comments - I think he should have faced more of a backlash for that comment. We are all aware that 'people will die..' but we don't want that rubber stamped as your first response to a global epidemic - it's quite irresponsible but tells me that him and his parliament have no ideas of what to do or say to reassure the Brit public..8-10 weeks in our PM really should have offered more.
     
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  18. br0wnsugar

    br0wnsugar Occasional commenter

    Ah yes, Brexit ...umm well, it would be nice to know what 'differently' may mean
     
  19. br0wnsugar

    br0wnsugar Occasional commenter

    This is so true. Now we need to see if the Beveridge report of the 1940s is really going to help support the needy; the self employed; the parts of society who are and will perhaps become, more desperate ..voting in Boris for Brexit is one thing but affairs such as this..people have voted in someone who does not fill its citizens with confidence. I suspect we'll have to imagine this outbreak at the time when the Empire was at its prime and imagine what Britain would do in such circumstances. I think Boris and co may be searching the archives.
     
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  20. br0wnsugar

    br0wnsugar Occasional commenter

    Human biology!
     

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