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School has just become an Academy: what might be expected to happen?

Discussion in 'Pay and conditions' started by albertdog, Sep 4, 2011.

  1. The wife of a friend works in a school that has just become an academy: she works as a secretary to the HoYs. All the staff, both teaching and non-teaching, were given the old line 'this is just a paper exercise, nothing is going to happen'. Yesterday, she received a P45: when she phoned a few friends, she found that all had received similar.
    I wonder if any 'Tessers' out there have experience of what it is like to 'go Academy', and what changes might be in the pipeline as regards, jobs, pensions and conditions, etc.
     
  2. The wife of a friend works in a school that has just become an academy: she works as a secretary to the HoYs. All the staff, both teaching and non-teaching, were given the old line 'this is just a paper exercise, nothing is going to happen'. Yesterday, she received a P45: when she phoned a few friends, she found that all had received similar.
    I wonder if any 'Tessers' out there have experience of what it is like to 'go Academy', and what changes might be in the pipeline as regards, jobs, pensions and conditions, etc.
     
  3. catmother

    catmother Lead commenter

    The P45 would be because they have stopped being employed by whoever their employer used to be (LA ? or school as it was). The employees will now start a new contract with the school as it now exists.
     
  4. Middlemarch

    Middlemarch Star commenter

    That's a massive assumption, to be frank. Unless a letter accompanied the P45 saying 'Don't worry, you'll be getting a new contract', I'd be a tad concerned.
     
  5. Morninglover

    Morninglover Lead commenter

    Unless she received this reassurance in writing, I'd suggest she phones her line manager or finance officer to check on this...and perhaps her Union too.
     
  6. mrkeys

    mrkeys Occasional commenter

    I did work in a school that became an academy. (But that is another chapter for my book)
    I did not receive a P45.
    Schools don't just become academies without any notice. There must have been long discussions prior to this event.
    Involve your union now and not through your school rep.
     
  7. The school becoming an academy was not a surprise, but nothing had been mentioned previously about P45s being sent out or new contracts being issued. Some staff were offered 'sweeteners', such as upgrading or increased hours, if they accepted new contracts.
     
  8. Trouble is that schools are not used to the detail of HR issues and payroll etc.
    However, it should be blindingly obvious to anyone who was awake in the meetings that the school would have gone through that staff were moving to a new employer. Therefore P45s and new contracts have to follow.
     
  9. mrkeys

    mrkeys Occasional commenter

    I repeat. When the school I was working in became an academy I did not receive a P45. They did try and get me to sign a new contract but I refused as I was covered by TUPE.
    The advice from my union was not to sign anything. I do know that huge pressure was put on staff to sign new contracts with very much worse conditions of service.
    Beware. Read everything, and stay awake in meetings!
     
  10. They should certainly check it out (and quickly). They should be protected by TUPE and so the issue of a P45 should ring alarm bells. Don't dismiss it as an admin issue because they would appear to have effectively dismissed you, and therefore your accumulated service will have ceased, which could be very serious if any redundancies are threatened. Employees with less than a years service are basically unprotected to a great extent and any reduction in service would leave far less redundancy pay on the table.
     
  11. Crowbob

    Crowbob Established commenter

    No it shouldn't ring alarm bells.
    No, it doesn't appear that way at all.
    NO, just plain NO.
    Don't give out alarmist advice when you clearly don't have the knowledge to back it up.
    The OP's friend should check this out BUT there is no need to be alarmed. P45s are often issued in these circumstances as a method of updating the tax information held on the employee. Just because some people didn't receive P45s in similar circumstances is nothing to be worried about. It would be very unlikely for a school not to comply with TUPE as to simply dismiss people would result in claims for automatically unfair dismissals.



     
  12. mrkeys

    mrkeys Occasional commenter

    Crowbob:
    Don't give out alarmist advice when you clearly don't have the knowledge to back it up.

    Well I do hope you have the inside information.
    It was my understanding that a P46 was used for changes in tax.
    To give P45's would concern me.
    Continuation of service is something that academies have been known to ignore. Maternity benefit is one area that needs to be watched.
    I hope I am completely wrong.




     
  13. Crowbob

    Crowbob Established commenter

    Don't know about inside information, but I do have specialist knowledge of employment law. The P45 might be being issued because the PAYE reference, for example, has changed.
    If you don't want to believe me, the Government says the same thing:
    http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/Employees/BusinessTransfersandtakeovers/DG_176391
    Evidence for this statement? I would be interested, from an academic perspective, to look at this.


     
  14. mrkeys

    mrkeys Occasional commenter


    Evidence for this statement? I would be interested, from an academic perspective, to look at this.
    Sick pay and maternity benefit.
    Academies do not always recognise this form previous employment in state schools. It is the same as leaving teaching and working for a new employer. They do not have to recognise your previous service.
    When the school changed to become an academyu staff who signed the new contracts were dismayed to see that there entitlement to full sick pay ceased. They effectively had to start again from scratch, just as an NQT does.



     
  15. Thank you very much for your replies. The P45 issue did make many of the staff sit up and take notice. Broadening the uestion, though; what other things has anyone noticed deteriorating as they became an academy, and later, too?
     

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