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School Direct (Salaried) Pay- Help?!

Discussion in 'Trainee and student teachers' started by jesshall28, Feb 7, 2016.

  1. jesshall28

    jesshall28 New commenter

    Hi,

    I am starting a school direct (salaried) position in September and have been told my salary will be £12,000.

    I will be employed as an unqualified teacher and I know the salary for this usually starts at £17,368 for London fringe (which is where my school is based).

    I asked about the difference in pay and was told the £12,000 is due to having a 60% teaching timetable. As it won't be 100%, you don't get the full unqualified teaching wage.

    Does this sound right? Correct? Normal?

    I am currently a TA earning only 2 grand less than what I would be on this school direct route, seems bizarre to go up the pay scale so little.

    Thanks for your help,
    J
     
  2. sofia_sen

    sofia_sen Occasional commenter

    That's cheeky!

    As far as I know, you should be getting the 100% unqualified salary. That's what I got last year, including the SEN allowance.

    It shouldn't matter if you teach 40, 60 or 80%. Is the school new to SD?

    You will certainly teach an 80% timetable by summer, are they planning to increase your salary then?
     
  3. jesshall28

    jesshall28 New commenter

    No, the school isn't new to SD.
    Where do I go from here? I don't want to rock the boat and cause problems but this is most definitely not right.
    One day a week I won't be in school, il be at a centre with other students training. Fair enough, I won't up there teaching the class everyday, but I will still be in school. Does this mean I get a full salary.
    When they told me the salary, they said it was because throughout the year my teaching time amounts to 60% so the salary is 60% of the full salary.

    I don't know where to turn with this.
     
  4. sofia_sen

    sofia_sen Occasional commenter

    It's not right because the other 40% includes PPA time so they should pay you for that.
    Where to go to is a good question... I think that I would have called the DfE helpline on 0800 389 2500 first to find out if this is even legal. Depending on their answer, rock the boat or look for another school.

    I was paid around 17,000 as a TA and around 23,000 as a student teacher. The amount you are being given is ridiculously low.
     
  5. jesshall28

    jesshall28 New commenter

    Out of curiosity, where did you train? London? I am on the fringe, but that really shouldn't matter.

    I am being paid just over £9000 a year as a TA, only to go up to £12000 on school direct. I went from a £25,000 job in an unrelated field...to this. I knew no different :(

    Thank you for your help.
     
    sanneme likes this.
  6. sofia_sen

    sofia_sen Occasional commenter

    Inner London, SEN. I don't mind sharing more details in PM (or conversation as it's called here).
     
  7. welshwizard

    welshwizard Established commenter Forum guide

    This is totally incorrect- and they really are taking the **** - you should be employed on a full time teachers contract - if its a maintained school then this has to accord with teacher pay and conditions. Academies and free schools have their own scales but generally they equate to the standard pay arrangements- otherwise they would not be competitive.
    Suggest you talk it over with your union representative.
     
  8. Sunflower2512

    Sunflower2512 New commenter

    This is interesting.

    I am also commencing a school direct salaried position in September. I have been told I will be paid just over £6000 for the year... so your salary will be double mine for the same position. I was told during interview that funding had been massively cut this year, hence why the salary on offer was so low.

    I am also currently a teaching assistant and will bizarrely be taking a salary cut so I can train to teach. It is a good job that I REALLY want to do this, as £6000 is hardly an incentive.

    I would be very interested to know why there is such a difference between our salaries!
     
    sanneme likes this.
  9. sofia_sen

    sofia_sen Occasional commenter

    Which finding has been cut? From the DfE to the school or the school to you?
    £6000 is really ridiculous, you might as well take an unsalaried route then and have a PGCE at the end!
     
  10. bannoffee

    bannoffee New commenter

    This doesn't sound right at all! I've chosen the training route as I like the fact that I'll be supernumerary, and therefore not thrown in at the deep end with all the responsibility (and possible little of the support!) right away... I did have to weigh this up for a long time though, due to the salary - if I'd thought it was only 6 or even 12,000 the decision probably wouldn't have taken me as long!
    Have you both checked whether the unpaid route might actually be better, with the bursaries on offer? Remember these are tax free (and in many cases you get the student perks too for childcare, etc etc).
     
  11. Sunflower2512

    Sunflower2512 New commenter

    I am not sure what funding has been cut. The three alliances who sat on my interview panel told me at the end of a six hour long interview process that "unfortunately funding has been cut, so we can only offer £6000 (approx.) and are you still interested?" At this point I had put everything I had into the process and was unwilling to say no lest it jeopardise my chances of being offered a position.

    I suspect as I have accepted the offer it is too late for me to explore other funding options or indeed other routes. I would advise others though who are considering teacher training to ensure they understand fully what is on offer, and go into the process with their eyes wide open.

    So in response to the original poster, I'd say your £12,000 sounds positively generous ;) On a serious note though I would be interested if you do manage to take it further or get any answers as to why your salary is different to what you think it should be.
     
  12. welshwizard

    welshwizard Established commenter Forum guide

    Sunflower you really are being taken for a ride 6,000 is not a salary and is in fact illegal as it is below the minimum wage- you really need to talk with your union about this and the fact the school are trying to do this deserves wider publicity .
    For salary posts the school receives: Other priority subjects: English, biology, design and technology, geography, music, religious education and Primary (non-specialist) Funding per place (by region Amount
    National
    £19,000
    Inner London
    £22,600
    Outer London
    £21,600
    London fringe
    £19,900
    More for the shortage subjects- look up the funding manual on the DfE website
     
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  13. sofia_sen

    sofia_sen Occasional commenter

    I think what many schools "forget" to tell you is that they actually receive money for you. So if you are only getting 6 or 12, where is the rest of the money going to?

    Curious to know what the union says.
     
  14. sleepyhead

    sleepyhead New commenter

    The rules about salaried SD places are very clear - you have to be paid at least point one on the unqualified teacher scale.
     
  15. Sunflower2512

    Sunflower2512 New commenter

    Thank you to @welshwizard for comments made about me being taken for a ride - I agree, I am and I am now hopefully with the support of my union taking steps to resolve the matter.

    If anyone else is reading this and believes that they are being paid less than they should be on a salaried school direct place I urge you to join and take advice of a union.
     
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  16. Heaneyjess

    Heaneyjess New commenter

    Hi,
    I've got a meeting with the school im training with next year and am going to discuss the salary. Did you get any more answers from your training provider? I have been told I will get an unqualified Teachers salary, however I will have acquired a PGCE at the end of the training but have not been told at any point (before now) that I may have to pay that our of my salary!
     
  17. sleepyhead

    sleepyhead New commenter

    NCTL funds the lead school to pay for your training, so you should not be expected to pay the £9000 fee at all.
     
  18. ard13

    ard13 New commenter

    Could anyone who is doing school direct salaried this year post something about their pay and whether or not they have to pay the PGCE fees. I have assuming that I would be paid for 10 months at the bottom of the pay scale and that my fees would be covered by the funding the school gets from NCTL. would love to know what's actually happening out there. Thanks
     
  19. sleepyhead

    sleepyhead New commenter

    The guidance about this is really clear: SDS trainees have to be paid at at least point one on the UQT scale, and the training is funded centrally to the lead school by NCTL.
     
  20. bananatree84

    bananatree84 Occasional commenter

    I am salaried and get just over 16k no fees to pay as no PGCE qualification just QTS.
     

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