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School days to get longer

Discussion in 'Education news' started by phlogiston, Mar 16, 2016.

  1. phlogiston

    phlogiston Lead commenter

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...lained-what-does-it-mean-for-me-a6932741.html

    Not much detail yet, but it looks as if HTs will get extra money to provide enrichment for an extra hour every day.

    How much of this money will enhance the pay of teachers who work longer hours, and how long do you think these extra payments will last before the school day is routinely extended for all staff?

    After all, teachers have nothing much else to do once the children go home.:(
    (Irony warning)
     
  2. blazer

    blazer Star commenter

    Perhaps an opening for us recently retired to earn a bit of pin money?
     
  3. wanet

    wanet Star commenter

    This has been tried before.
     
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  4. Didactylos4

    Didactylos4 Star commenter

    Pins can be addictive Blazer
     
  5. lunarita

    lunarita Occasional commenter

    It's hard to believe this government is worried about a brain drain in education.
     
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  6. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

    Presumably these extra classes will be taken by staff 'bought in' (e.g.sports coaches)...
     
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  7. Anonymity

    Anonymity Occasional commenter

    Regardless of who teaches - is it compulsory for the children? I don't want my children to do a longer day:(
     
  8. chelsea2

    chelsea2 Lead commenter

    A local school extended the school day one day a week to provide 'enrichment' activities for pupils. It was compulsory, regardless of whether or not pupils already had activities that evening. It was compulsory even for Reception children (it was an 'all-through' academy) who were exhausted by 3.00. It was compulsory for teaching staff. Many TAs were also involved - not sure if they were paid extra. Pupils were given a choice of activities, but rarely got what they chose, so they hated it. Staff hated it, and often chose to lead activities requiring little teacher input (film club, computers, quiz club, etc). Many parents hated it. But it looked great on paper.
    After 3 years it was scrapped.
     
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  9. chelsea2

    chelsea2 Lead commenter

    Oh, yes, just to add that in those 3 years the school moved from good to SM.
     
  10. jobrien32

    jobrien32 New commenter

    Hi we will [​IMG]
     
  11. Middlemarch

    Middlemarch Star commenter

    Indeed. And when they first got in, the Tory/LibDem govt scrapped a range of funding streams which provided exactly this, e.g. the school sports partnerships.

    I heard earlier that there was going to be money that schools could "bid for" and it would perhaps affect 25% of secondary schools. It reminds me of when I was in my first headship, during the latter part of the Major government and we had barely enough in the budget to pay the bills - there were various bits of money for which you could "bid" then and it took up inordinate amounts of time doing so, only to be refused in most cases.
     
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  12. oldsomeman

    oldsomeman Lead commenter

    Now wlil teachers be expected to also do their office work after the children go home or during?.It should accelerate the teacher leaving figures nicely..........
    Im concerned that somewhere down the line the staff are going to get ripped off.
     
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  13. Shedman

    Shedman Star commenter

    I remember a scheme by John major's government whereby all school children were to do 5 hours of competitive sport per week. When I wrote to the government pointing out that for school of 1500 students taught in classes of 30 to do 5 hours of sport a week would require about 10 PE staff and about 8 sports pitches or gymnasia to be used every period of the school week I never received a reply. Like most things from the major era, it came to nothing.

    Does anybody else remember this proposed scheme?
     
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  14. Middlemarch

    Middlemarch Star commenter

    Yes, I do! I ranted on exactly the same points that you did to anyone I could pin down at the time!
     
  15. chelsea2

    chelsea2 Lead commenter

    My assumption is that these extra activities will not be run by teachers (after all, there's extra funding involved, so teachers aren't going to get any of that) but by outside providers, or perhaps TAs (who, once again, seem to be expected to be super-skilled). Assuming I'm right, where are all these people going to come from, who are all available from 3 - 6.00 p.m. every school day? Surely people who have full-time jobs can't / won't want to do it, and it won't pay enough to be a person's sole job. Plus space in schools - halls, gym, studios, etc are not exactly plentiful, so most activities will take place in classrooms, thus reducing the scope of what can be done.

    Of course, I could be completely wrong, and this is added to teachers' workloads.....:eek:
     
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  16. Anonymity

    Anonymity Occasional commenter

    But to reiterate, even if this is all true, I hope it's not compulsory fir the children. I don't want my children to have a longer school day...
     
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  17. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter


    When the government asks schools to bid for money, there will be lots of data collection going on to 'prove' that the money was being used properly. So the school will be under pressure to ensure pupils attend...So it wouldn't surprise me if most schools which do get this money make it compulsory, at least for some pupils.

    Mind you, as a parent of a pupil at the school already they'd have to give you notice that the school day times were changing - used to be a year (but that may have changed since I retired!)
     
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  18. dzil

    dzil Occasional commenter

    Will there be extra money to pay for the hire of the school building for these extra hours? Not sure what rate the PFI and BSF "partners" will ask for but it's all extra now that the buildings don't belong to the schools anymore.
     
  19. Middlemarch

    Middlemarch Star commenter

    Nor I for my nieces - both are outstanding athletes (even the 10 year old) and they have enough to do with their homework and training.
     
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  20. Caligraphy

    Caligraphy Occasional commenter

    Quite. Whilst we are all used to the government hammering teachers, It's about time parents said enough is enough. It will start off with 'Enrichment' but will soon descend in to the exam groups being crammed through extra classes whilst the younger ones get overlooked as always. I thought there was a concern about the rise in stress related illness in school age children. Longer school days will help.:rolleyes:
     
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