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School bbc2 - appalled by staffing ladys comment

Discussion in 'Personal' started by hiddendavid, Nov 20, 2018.

  1. hiddendavid

    hiddendavid New commenter

    wow, has she just said paying supply £140-£250 a day is extortionate??

    I dont think so? paying a professional £140 from 8.30-3.30 at £23.3 - £41.6 an hour (6 hours minus lunch)
     
  2. JohnJCazorla

    JohnJCazorla Star commenter

    I haven't bothered watching this but it's not paying a teacher is it? Must be paying an agency so I'm afraid your maths needs factoring down by around 20-30%

    As long-term supply in West Yorks I'm getting £195 a day and through a UC so throwing £240/250 at the agency for me is a nice Christmas bonus for the agent. I need to renegotiate and get myself over the £200 mark.

    The staffing lady is following the school and agency philosophy over supply. "Pay out as little as you can get away with."
     
  3. hiddendavid

    hiddendavid New commenter

    fair point

    point wasnt directed at the lady directly, more that the system thinks potentially £23 an hour is extortionate
     
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  4. magic surf bus

    magic surf bus Star commenter

    Supply teachers don't get holiday pay, so the 'to scale' daily rate was always based on your full time equivalent annual salary divided by the actual number of working days in a school year.

    Agency rate pay for me pre-2014 was about £40 a day less than 'to scale' pay, and it wasn't pensionable either. In effect I was getting M2 pay for being a UPS3 teacher and nothing added to my pension.

    Plus I was only averaging 3 days a week of supply work for four years, and I taught a shortage subject.

    My last school calculated that for long term supply it was cheaper to pay me to scale, including pension contributions, than it was to pay the agency's fees, and that was after they'd paid the agency a release fee for me.
     
  5. LadyPsyche

    LadyPsyche New commenter

    I think her comments were also in the context of paying out for supply to cover a significant number of staff on long-term sick, effectively paying twice for one job in each case.
    For me, the overwhelming message here was that too many people were off sick...this should be a clear indicator that the working environment isn't healthy enough. Unfortunately in schools all the focus/money goes on pupil wellbeing and staff come last. Then there's no money to look after the children's wellbeing...vicious downwards spiral. I couldn't believe when they came up with a solution of 'we'll put 42 students in that French class and 46 in the Spanish'. So that's not only hard to manage behaviourally, assuming there are rooms big enough, but also a huge increase in marking for the teacher. They're so incredibly underfunded.
    The film crew asked how long it would be before the money put aside for supply over the year ran out (implying there should be a magic fund for it) to which she replied it was already spent. And it wasn't even Christmas yet.
     
  6. chelsea2

    chelsea2 Star commenter

    That's why you take out insurance.
     
  7. ABCCBA123321

    ABCCBA123321 Occasional commenter

    I turned it on with the intention of watching it to that precise comment and just thought "stuff this - not in the mood for a supply teachers are overpaid" session tonight and turned it off.
     
  8. sparkleghirl

    sparkleghirl Star commenter

    Yet they're too daft to see that if they stopped working teachers into the ground, it might even be cheaper in the long run.
     
  9. needabreak

    needabreak Star commenter

    Your not wrong.

    Generally there's been much needed investment in infrastructure over the past 20 years, by whatever means, but human capital has been mismanaged and wasted consistently for at least a decade.

    It is such a shame that those who manage state schools are so poorly equipped to do so. I wonder how many would qualify to manage anything outside the public sector.
     
  10. racroesus

    racroesus Star commenter

    Did the assistant head for learning and teaching ever teach?
     
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  11. racroesus

    racroesus Star commenter

    It was the Trust's quiet assassin that got to me. Money will be saved but standards will improve.
     
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  12. needabreak

    needabreak Star commenter

    Usually yes and they hated it so much or were so bad at it that they decided to tell others how to do it better.
     
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  13. needabreak

    needabreak Star commenter

    I guess its the age old issue that in order to progress you must specialise, and in so doing you have no idea how else things can be done and continue to do what you've always done or have been instructed to do.
     
  14. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    Bit of a mess really isn't it?

    If only someone had said something a few years ago...
     
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  15. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    Speaking of appalling wastes of money:

    Government accused of wasting £138m on closed free schools
    The NUT says the money could have helped schools overset to lose income under the government's planned funding overhaul


    Always worth remembering when we talk about the lack of money available for schools
     
  16. racroesus

    racroesus Star commenter

    That was what I thought when she didn't volunteer to step into the breach to help keep class numbers down.
     
  17. racroesus

    racroesus Star commenter

    Or if that grisly old lighthouse of a teacher in the corner had been listened to?
     
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  18. Oscillatingass

    Oscillatingass Star commenter

    Oh do you think no one did? So if someone had "said something", the destruction of the State education system by M. Gove would not have happened?
     
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  19. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    You vastly underestimate my cynicism.

    Which is surprising.
     
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  20. blazer

    blazer Star commenter

    :rolleyes:
     
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